Magnetic Field and Water Electrolysis Work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of magnetic fields on the electrolysis of water, specifically exploring the relationship between magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) and the internal energy of the system. Participants are seeking equations that incorporate magnetic fields into the work done during electrolysis, as well as clarifications on existing equations related to MHD and internal energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a research paper discussing the effects of magnetic fields on the redox potential of water but notes the absence of equations related to internal energy.
  • Another participant mentions the MHD force equation F = qv x B and its redefinition in terms of current and magnetic field as F = LI x B.
  • A participant seeks to find an equation for the change in internal energy for water electrolysis in the presence of a magnetic field, specifically asking how to modify the work equation W = PΔV to include this magnetic field.
  • One participant shares a paper that includes equations for internal energy but finds it confusing and seeks further assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a shared interest in understanding the interplay between magnetic fields and electrolysis, but there is no consensus on the specific equations or modifications needed to incorporate magnetic effects into the work done during electrolysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various papers that may contain relevant equations, but there are indications of confusion and uncertainty regarding the applicability and clarity of these equations. The discussion highlights the need for further exploration of the topic.

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Greetings everyone!

I recently read a research paper on the effects of a magnetic field on redox potential of water (Magnetic Field Effects on Redox Potential of Reduction and Oxidation Agents), but the paper didn't include any of the equations related to the internal energy of the system.

Another paper (Magnetohydrodynamic Propulsion for the Classroom) stated magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) force (on water) as F = qv x B, where qv = (qnAL)v. The n is the number of charges per volume and A and L are the cross-sectional area and length of the channel or container. The quantity qnAv will define the current I. The paper stated "This leads to the statement for the force imparted on a current in the presence of a magnetic field", which redefines the equation for force as F = LI x B, with B as the magnetic field.

The work for the electrolysis of water is calculated as W = PΔV. Considering the listed equations, is there an equation to calculate the work done to the system within a magnetic field? Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Thank you for responding Greg!

I'm trying to find an equation to calculate the change in internal energy for water electrolysis within a magnetic field perpendicular to the current; magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). The cross products of current I and magnetic field B generates a force F perpendicular to the magnetic field; Lorentz Force. Considering that the equation for the system work of water electrolysis is W = PΔV, how would I rewrite this equation to include a magentic field perpedicular to the current?

I've uploaded 12 pages from the research paper "MHD Propulsion" - Sutcliffe & Neiser 2009. It includes an example of the equation for MHD thrust: F = IL X B. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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I've only found 1 paper with equations for the internal energy: "Magnetohydrodynamic Electrochemistry in the Field of Nd−Fe−B Magnets. Theory, Experiment, and Application in Self-Powered Flow Delivery Systems" - Leventis & Gao 2001. I found it very confusing. I'll post the 3 pages that have the formulas. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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