Magnetic field Cancellation in AC wires (How?)

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic fields generated by alternating current (AC) wires and the conditions under which these fields may or may not cancel each other out. Participants are exploring the implications of wire arrangement and the resulting magnetic field patterns.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions why magnetic fields between wires do not appear to cancel, despite common assertions that they do. Some participants suggest examining the direction and extent of the magnetic fields in relation to the wire configuration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, with some providing insights into the nature of magnetic fields around wires. There is a focus on visualizing the magnetic field patterns and considering the implications of wire proximity and orientation. No consensus has been reached, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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There is an indication that the discussion may relate to homework, although it is clarified that the original poster is simply asking a question. The conversation includes considerations of how wire arrangement affects magnetic field cancellation, which may imply constraints on the setup being discussed.

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How do magnetic fields cancel in AC wires? (common wire with hot and neutral)
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Why do the magnetic fields in-between the wires does not seem to cancel? Even those outside each wire? (the fields do are not in opposite direction). Yet most of the people I have talked to until now says that such magnetic fields do cancel? I am confused...
 
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Is this homework, or are you just asking?
 
Cutter Ketch said:
Is this homework, or are you just asking?
Just asking
 
Look at your sketch. Yes, the fields are the same direction between the wires, but the fields extend out further. The field below the top wire is into the board. A little lower and it is still into the board including the region below the bottom wire. So in the region above both wires and the region below both wires the fields are in opposite directions. If the wires are very close together, the fields are also essentially equal and cancel.

We don’t officially care about the region between the wires as nothing will be located between the wires. However, minimizing that space and putting the wires together is important for best cancellation of the field away from the wires. In fact you can relate the strength of the field away from the wires to the area of the loop made by the wires. As that area can never be exactly zero, we often further minimize the field by twisting the wires so that there are a series of tiny loops with the residual field pointing opposite directions from each loop.
 
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:headbang:... so it's just a matter of having a larger view...
 
HAgdn said:
:headbang:... so it's just a matter of having a larger view...

Right. Actually, it’s much easier to see in cross section. Draw the field of each wire as an ever expanding set of concentric circles. The two sets of circles almost but don’t quite cancel everywhere
 
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