Magnetic field produced by a current

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The discussion revolves around determining the magnetic field at the center of a conducting wire loop due to a current flowing through it, as well as the contribution from a straight wire. The problem involves applying the Biot-Savart Law and understanding the geometry of the setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between differential length elements (dl) and the distance to the center of the loop, as well as the angles involved in the integration process. There are attempts to connect the magnetic field contributions from both the loop and the straight wire.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into using the right-hand rule to determine the direction of the magnetic fields. There is ongoing exploration of how to set up the integrals for calculating the magnetic fields from both the loop and the straight wire, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are translating the problem from another language, which may introduce some ambiguity. There is mention of needing to relate various parameters such as dl, r, and θ, indicating potential gaps in understanding the geometry of the problem.

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I'm translating the problem from portuguese to english, so I'm sorry if there are errors.

Homework Statement


Determine the magnetic field on the center of the circumference produced by the current in the conducting wire (the circumference is made of conducting wire too). The current goes from left to right, and on the circumference it's clockwise.

Homework Equations



Biot-Savart Law: [itex]B = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \ \int \frac{ I \ \vec{dl}\times \hat{r}}{r^2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't relate dl with r (the distance from dl to the center) nor the angle, which I must do to compute the integral.
 

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Tosh5457 said:
I'm translating the problem from portuguese to english, so I'm sorry if there are errors.

Homework Statement


Determine the magnetic field on the center of the circumference produced by the current in the conducting wire (the circumference is made of conducting wire too). The current goes from left to right, and on the circumference it's clockwise.

Homework Equations



Biot-Savart Law: [itex]B = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \ \int \frac{ I \ \vec{dl}\times \hat{r}}{r^2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't relate dl with r (the distance from dl to the center) nor the angle, which I must do to compute the integral.

The trick to this question is to see that the B field in the center of that loop is the sum of the B-field from the loop itself, plus the B-field from the long straight wire...
 
berkeman said:
The trick to this question is to see that the B field in the center of that loop is the sum of the B-field from the loop itself, plus the B-field from the long straight wire...

yep the right hand rule can also gives a good indication as well

on the straight wire the current goes right so curling your fingers indicates the field points down. On The loop the current goes clockwise tot he magnetic field is again down.

For the long straight wire you must relate the center of the ring to a segment dl on the long straight wire that is a distance r1 away. which you can relate to theta by integrated from pi/2 to -pi/2

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Liquidxlax said:
yep the right hand rule can also gives a good indication as well

on the straight wire the current goes right so curling your fingers indicates the field points down. On The loop the current goes clockwise tot he magnetic field is again down.

For the long straight wire you must relate the center of the ring to a segment dl on the long straight wire that is a distance r1 away. which you can relate to theta by integrated from pi/2 to -pi/2

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So, dl = rdθ? And how do relate I r with θ?
 
Tosh5457 said:
So, dl = rdθ? And how do relate I r with θ?

Your book should have a solution for the B-field from a long straight wire. And a separate solution for the B-field at the center of a single loop of wire. Do you see how they set up the integrals for each of those...?
 

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