Magnetic field uniformity problem

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The discussion revolves around the uniformity of the magnetic field produced by two large coils with tight turns, separated by a distance equal to the radius of the coils. Participants explore the conditions under which the magnetic field may be considered uniform along the x-axis and the implications of distance from the coils.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of uniformity along the x-axis and question whether it is only at the center of each coil. There is consideration of numerical methods to analyze the field's behavior as a function of position.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into specific points where the field might be uniform, while others express uncertainty about the implications of distance from the coils. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the uniformity of the magnetic field.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a link that provides additional information on uniformity, and participants are considering the effects of the coils on each other’s fields. The discussion includes varying interpretations of what constitutes a uniform magnetic field in this setup.

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While at an engineering internship, you reminisce about the similarities between gravitational fields, electric fields, and magnetic fields. You know that two infinite sheets of opposite charge can be used to create a uniform electric field (for points between the two sheets) and you know that two infinite arrays of opposite current carrying wires can produce a uniform magnetic field (for points between the two arrays), but the direction of your internship reminds you that there is another possibility. You recall that two large coils with N tight turns of radius R can yield a uniform magnetic field. If the two coils are separated by a distance R, where along the x-axis is the magnetic field uniform, and what additional calculations might you need in order to convince your director that the field is indeed uniform?

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I found an image that depicts how I was visualizing this scenario
Helmholtz_coil_config.jpg

Wouldn't the field simply be uniform along the x-axis? Or would it be specifically at the center of each ring/coil. I guess since the field decreases with increasing distance, then it would seem logical that the field is uniform at the centers.

Numerically, couldn't we obtain values of the field as a function of position, plot them, and determine where the derivatives are 0? Implying that the field is unchanging and thus uniform?
 
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Check out eqn (8) here . Separation R gives the most uniform behavior at the center.
 
Callix said:
Wouldn't the field simply be uniform along the x-axis?
Certainly not everywhere. 100 km away the field will be weaker than close to the coils.
Callix said:
Or would it be specifically at the center of each ring/coil.
Why do you expect a uniform field there? Is there some other special point where the field might be uniform?
Callix said:
Numerically, couldn't we obtain values of the field as a function of position, plot them, and determine where the derivatives are 0? Implying that the field is unchanging and thus uniform?
Sure.
 
Yeah, I was just kind of rambling through my thought process without going back to remove it.. XD

At the time I observed each ring and thought it would be uniform at the center of each ring, but then after I realized that the other ring will have an affect as well.
 
mfb said:
Is there some other special point where the field might be uniform?

So I imagine the the only uniform point would be in the center of the circular cross-section at a distance R/2.
 
Callix said:
So I imagine the the only uniform point would be in the center of the circular cross-section at a distance R/2
Link in post #2 shows very good uniformity from -R/3 to + R/3 (their R = 0.2 m)

Not clear to me where "the center of the circular cross-section at a distance R/2" is located...
 
BvU said:
Link in post #2 shows very good uniformity from -R/3 to + R/3 (their R = 0.2 m)

Not clear to me where "the center of the circular cross-section at a distance R/2" is located...

Snapshot.jpg
 

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