Magnetic fields and loop of wire

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The problem involves a rectangular loop of wire placed near a long straight wire, with the objective of determining the net force exerted on the loop and how this force changes if the current in the loop is reversed. The subject area pertains to magnetic fields and forces in electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the net magnetic field and the forces acting on different segments of the loop. There is confusion regarding the distinction between electric and magnetic fields, and questions arise about which lengths to use in the force equation. Some participants suggest calculating the forces on each segment of the loop individually.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the cancellation of forces on perpendicular segments of the loop, but there is still uncertainty about the overall approach to calculating the net force.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for solving the problem. There is a focus on understanding the magnetic interactions rather than electric fields.

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Homework Statement


A rectangular loop of wire of size 5 cm x 15 cm is placed near a long straight wire with side CD at a distance of 5 cm from it, as shown in figure 6.29. What is the net force exetred on the loop (magnitude and direction)? How does your answer change if the current in the loop is reversed?


Homework Equations


F = BIl
B = 4pi-7/2pi x I/r

The Attempt at a Solution


First I tried to figure out the net electric field at DC (same as AB). I added the magnetic field from the wire and the field from AB to get the net magnetic field at DC. But then I got confused, because what I have now is the net electric field. What length from the equation F=BIl should be used, is that 15 cm as that is the length of the loop? Or should I figure out the magnetic field from the wire and AB indivdually, calculate the force of each and then add them?
 

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poskhare said:
First I tried to figure out the net electric field at DC (same as AB). I added the magnetic field from the wire and the field from AB to get the net magnetic field at DC. But then I got confused, because what I have now is the net electric field. What length from the equation F=BIl should be used, is that 15 cm as that is the length of the loop? Or should I figure out the magnetic field from the wire and AB indivdually, calculate the force of each and then add them?
There is no electric field. Current carrying wires and loops are electrically neutral. The attraction is magnetic. Calculate the magnetic force on each loop segment and then find the net force. Note that the total force on the segment of the loop perpendicular to the wire is equal and opposite to the segment parallel to it on the other sides.
 
I meant to write magnetic field, not electric field. But I need to calculate all for sides? The parallel are easy, but when it comes to the perpendicular, how do I add the force of these to the rest since they are perpendicular and not parallel?
 
Nevermind my comment about the perpendicular sides, because they cancel out, right?
 
poskhare said:
Nevermind my comment about the perpendicular sides, because they cancel out, right?
Right. At any particular distance from the wire there are equal and opposite forces acting on the perpendicular segments so the net force contributed by the perpendicular segments is zero.
 
Okay, thank you!
 

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