Magnitude of the average force exerted by ground on a ball.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a basketball's motion just before and after it bounces off the ground. The problem includes calculating the ball's speed after losing half of its kinetic energy and determining the average force exerted by the ground on the ball during contact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of kinetic energy and the subsequent speed of the basketball after the bounce. There is confusion regarding the application of forces and the correct use of the change in velocity in the context of average force calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully calculated the speed after the bounce, while others are exploring the implications of including gravitational effects in their calculations. There is an ongoing dialogue about the correct interpretation of velocity changes and the forces acting on the ball during its collision with the ground.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions made about forces and the effects of gravity during the ball's contact with the ground. There is an emphasis on understanding the net forces involved in the scenario.

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Homework Statement


Just before hitting the ground, a partially inflated 0.625kg basketball has a speed of 3.30m/s. Then it loses half of its kinetic energy as it bounces. (A)What is the ball's speed immediately after it bounces?(B) If the ball is in contact with the ground for 9.25ms, what is the magnitude of the average force exerted by the ground on the ball?

Homework Equations


None of these are positive but:
KE=.5mv^2
Fav=m(Δv)/(Δt)

The Attempt at a Solution


I found part A I believe. I just found the initial KE in that being KE=.5(.625)(3.30)^2 and got KE0=3.4
then it loses half so KEf=1.7 so to find the velocity I set up 1.7=.5(.625)v^2 and found the final velocity to be 2.33m/s.

I am quite confused on part B. I have tried m(Δv)/(Δt) to find the Fav but didn't get the right answer (381N). What do I do?
 
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NinjaChachi said:
I found part A I believe. I just found the initial KE in that being KE=.5(.625)(3.30)^2 and got KE0=3.4
then it loses half so KEf=1.7 so to find the velocity I set up 1.7=.5(.625)v^2 and found the final velocity to be 2.33m/s.
Good.

NinjaChachi said:
I am quite confused on part B. I have tried m(Δv)/(Δt) to find the Fav but didn't get the right answer (381N). What do I do?
What did you use for Δv? Did you take gravity into account?
 
Doc Al said:
Good.What did you use for Δv? Did you take gravity into account?
No I didn't use gravity. I just used 3.3-2.33 and tried 2.33-3.3. How would I take gravity into account?
 
NinjaChachi said:
No I didn't use gravity. I just used 3.3-2.33 and tried 2.33-3.3.
Try that again. Realize that the final and initial velocities have different directions.

NinjaChachi said:
How would I take gravity into account?
Realize that m(Δv)/(Δt) will give you the average net force. What forces act on the ball during the collision with the ground?
 

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