Making a continuous equation out of a summation

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The discussion revolves around transforming a summation equation, specifically f(x) = ∑(i=1 to x-1) s^i, into a continuous function. Participants explore various methods and implications of this transformation, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of evaluating the function for non-integer values of x, such as x = 2.3.
  • Another suggests that the zeta function might be relevant to the transformation of the summation into a continuous function.
  • A different participant proposes a continuous function h(x) = (s^x - 1) / (s - 1) - 1, claiming it matches the summation for integer values of x.
  • However, a subsequent reply challenges this claim, stating that h(x) is not equivalent to the summation for non-integer values of x, emphasizing the need for clarity on the bounds of the summation.
  • There is a suggestion that simpler methods exist for constructing continuous functions, with references to power series and Taylor series as alternatives.
  • Participants clarify that the goal is to find a function that matches the summation at integer values of x, indicating a focus on preserving the behavior of the original summation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed continuous function h(x) and its equivalence to the summation for non-integer values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the transformation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the bounds of the summation and the definitions of the functions involved. The discussion highlights the complexity of transitioning from discrete to continuous representations without resolving these ambiguities.

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I have an equation;

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{i=1}^{x-1} s^i[/tex]

Where s is a constant. Is it possible to transform f(x) into continuous functions ? If so, how ?
 
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Nope, how would you evaluate the function when x = 2.3?
 
Maybe something along the lines of the zeta function?
 
Werg22 said:
Maybe something along the lines of the zeta function?

He's using x as a bound to the summation. Not actually in the summation.

If you want to change the question to putting x in the equation, there are much much much easier ways to construct the continuous function. I tend to avoid making things harder than they really are.

Here is the easiest example:

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{i=1}^{n} 0x[/tex]

If you want to get more complicated than that, then I would go into Power Series and Taylor Series before heaving off go into the Zeta Functions.
 
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JasonRox said:
Nope, how would you evaluate the function when x = 2.3?

Well, it IS possible, I found the equation;

[tex]h(x) = \frac{s^x-1}{s-1}-1[/tex]

It's exacly the same as the summation, but it's continuous. However, how could you get h(x) from f(x), I'm sure trial and error isn't the only way to do this...
 
No, it is NOT "exactly the same as the summation". It is the same when x is an integer but different when x is not an integer.

If by
[tex]f(x)= \sum_{1}^{x-1} s^i[/itex]<br /> you mean "sum over integers i as long as i<= x-1", then that is (almost) a geometric and so gives the formula you give <b>as long as x is an integer</b>.<br /> (It's missing the first i= 0 term which is why you need to subtract 1)[/tex]
 
JasonRox said:
He's using x as a bound to the summation. Not actually in the summation.

If you want to change the question to putting x in the equation, there are much much much easier ways to construct the continuous function. I tend to avoid making things harder than they really are.

Here is the easiest example:

[tex]f(x) = \sum_{i=1}^{n} 0x[/tex]

If you want to get more complicated than that, then I would go into Power Series and Taylor Series before heaving off go into the Zeta Functions.

That's not what I meant. I was talking about a function that is equal to this sum at integers x. I see, that's what Yann found. The function assumes the values of the summation at integers values. Is that what you meant to find Yann?
 

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