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Man tries to rob woman in wheel chair!

  1. Sep 9, 2006 #1
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WHEELCHAIR_SHOOTER?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT [Broken]
    It's terrible and sad how people take advantage of helpless handicap people:biggrin:
     
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    Good for her!!
     
  4. Sep 9, 2006 #3
    WTG Ms, Johnson!
     
  5. Sep 9, 2006 #4

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    It's a good thing that she was going to the range to practice if she only managed to get him in the elbow from that distance. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Sep 9, 2006 #5

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    I don't think her intentions were to severely harm someone who is only stealing a necklace.

    Some people go overboard when it comes to self-defence and end up getting charged themselves. Anyways, she did what she had to do.
     
  7. Sep 9, 2006 #6

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    I don't know if I would shoot somebody from trying to take my necklace. Then again, you don't know what they are going to do. HEADSHOT!!! :devil:
     
  8. Sep 9, 2006 #7

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    Some people think when they are getting attacked that they have a self-defense door open and can do whatever it takes to stop the person. In reality, you can't do whatever it takes. It has to be reasonable.

    For someone who is not on a wheelchair, shooting a gun like the lady would have led to charges.
     
  9. Sep 9, 2006 #8
    Couldn't she have just as easily threatened him with it instead of actually shooting? I agree it seems overboard.
     
  10. Sep 9, 2006 #9

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    The first rule of firearm defense is that you never pull a gun on someone unless you fully intend to use it.

    Second rule: If you have to shoot, shoot to kill.

    In Oregon, we don't need guns.

    http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=88966 [Broken]

    In our case, Tsu is heavily armed. She doesn't like messing up her nails with all of that messy strangling.
     
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  11. Sep 9, 2006 #10

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    I love Oregon women! They're like Texans!
     
  12. Sep 9, 2006 #11

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    She probably ran him over and then jumped on him, which was probably the true cause of death... then later strangled him.
     
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    So you are saying that all Oregon and Texas women are fat?
     
  14. Sep 9, 2006 #13

    JasonRox

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    It was only relating to the article.
     
  15. Sep 9, 2006 #14

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    The point was that your comments were in poor taste. :biggrin:

    No doubt, at 260 she had a slight advantage.
     
  16. Sep 9, 2006 #15

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    Maybe I should take that comment out to avoid any further confusion.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2006 #16
    Just shows the sad state of health care in this country. Some poor guy is reduced to robbing women in his wheel chair. Reminds me of the time I shot an elephant in my pajamas.
     
  18. Sep 9, 2006 #17

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    I am not much of a pacifist, but I am pretty against that. Shoot them in the leg or the arm, and hope you miss any arteries, when violent crime is intended (not by you).
     
  19. Sep 9, 2006 #18
    Any city newspaper~ Police fired 83 rounds, suspect was treated for smoke inhalation and a punctured eardrum.

    Don't ask police to be marksmen.

    You don't shoot someone unless a life is in danger and if a life is in danger you shoot to end that danger as fast and as surely as possible.
     
  20. Sep 9, 2006 #19

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    Which is neutrilizing the threat by shooting out their legs, and perhaps arms.
     
  21. Sep 9, 2006 #20
    In the legs there are some major artires so you don't want to shot them in the legs.
     
  22. Sep 9, 2006 #21

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    That's what I was thinking.

    I think police officers are trained to go for the shoulders, and/or simply the body because aiming a handgun in action isn't probably the easiest thing.

    Note: Most of us have never shot a handgun in action, so we can't compare it to a shooting range.
     
  23. Sep 9, 2006 #22

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    What if he had tried to rape the woman or kill her? Would it have been OK for her to shoot to kill in one of those cases?
     
  24. Sep 9, 2006 #23

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    Probably not.

    That's not self-defense.

    http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_svinth5_1199.htm

    http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm

    So, shooting and killing a potential rapists wouldn't be considered reasonable to stop him. A shot in the shoulder or two could be enough and maybe even less depending on the size and strength of the person. You probably don't even have to shoot because having the weapon alone might stop them.

    But then, you have to prove that you had the reason to believe he/she was going to rape you. It's hard to prove if the person has no background of sexual violation and showed no intent in doing so. Just because someone confronts you in your home, this doesn't make it enough to assume it's going to be rape. It's all in your head at that point. Just like the first quote says...

    For the lady in Oregon, I say that the man had absolutely no intent to rape her. Definitely not after seeing her.

    Self-defense isn't completely disabling the person, but only enough to stop the situation and get yourself in a safe position basically. Now, thinking about this, the lady in the wheel chair should have been charged from the information we got. She made no attempt to threaten him with a gun, but simply just shot the gun right away. According to the above, she should have tried that option first.
     
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  25. Sep 9, 2006 #24

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    If you've got no chance at running away, if you are in a wheelchair, how many alternatives do you have?
    This demonstrates how little you know about the real world. You think that rape has something to do with physical attractiveness. Elderly women get raped. Little children get raped. And yes, even obese women get raped.
    She was never in a safe position. She's lucky that wounding him didn't just make him mad enough to come back at her. Her safest position would have been to shoot the dirtbag dead.
     
  26. Sep 9, 2006 #25

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    I already mentioned
    But I bet they have a better chance of living than if you hit the head or torso. Stomach region would break open the intestine, which also quickly causes death.

    Although it was perhaps a joke, rape I read is about power, not the want for sex with a particular women. If you want to have sex with somebody, it is no good unless she wants it or likes it to, c'mon!
     
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