Many worlds, observer and Entropy

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The discussion revolves around the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the implications of observer-induced branching, the role of entropy, and the concept of existence in relation to observer presence. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving the extinction of observers and the continuous nature of quantum state evolution.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that in the many-worlds interpretation, each decision by an observer leads to a branching of the universe into multiple parallel realities, questioning whether this splitting has an end or limit.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that the absence of observers leads to the cessation of splitting, asserting that splitting occurs due to decoherence as described by the Schrödinger equation, independent of life or consciousness.
  • It is suggested that the splitting of worlds is a continuous process, happening millions of times per second, rather than a discrete event tied to observation.
  • A participant expresses a desire to reconcile these ideas, indicating that advanced mathematics may be necessary to explore the validity of the proposed concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relationship between observer presence and the splitting of worlds, with some asserting that splitting is independent of observers, while others suggest that observer extinction could halt further branching. The discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the nature of quantum state evolution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between entropy and the existence of observers, as well as the implications of quantum mechanics on the nature of reality. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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According to Everett-interpretation or many world interpretation of quantum mechanics, each decision an observer makes, the world splits into two parallel universes, let’s say an observer in some point in Spacetime is tests the Schrödinger’s cat experiment, in one branch of the universe the cat is alive, let’s call it A, and in the other branch of the universe the cat is dead and let’s call that branch B, now we have two branches, A and B, the each one separately doubles into two new branches or let’s say each one splits into two or maybe more branches as far as observers exist.

Now let’s say assume the observer A makes an observation, then the world including the observer splits into two branches, we call these two new observers A_1 for one of them and A_2 for the other one.

also, the observer B makes an observation and we get B_1 and B_2,

Then it goes on and on with more terms, does this splitting has an end or a limit?
Let’s assume in some point of Spacetime in one branch of the universe(or Multiverse), let’s arbitrarily call this branch B_2_e, let’s say in this branch for some arbitrary reason life get extinct and there is no observer left, then this branch (B_2_e) won’t split again, and for any time after that moment of extinction one can say this world is ended as far as we consider Existence as something that we can measure or have some effects on our Reality or something we can know about,
just like some Mathematical theories that we can prove it is not always true, even though, for a long time we believed they maybe True, they are True in several situations or as in our example, the existence of the world (B_2_e) was True for a long time, but not always.
If time is infinite or large enough, the Entropy gets high enough, and at some point, life can’t exist in any of these worlds, or as Entropy increases, at some point, there is not enough energy difference for planets, even stars to exist.

Now one can say that, when some world splits, then they continue splitting, and if we measure the Entropy of two distinct Universes, one can say they are not always Equal, the Entropy is not the same in both branches of the Universe or at least we can say they are not always Equal,
As in the Schrödinger’s Cat experiment, in one branch the Schrödinger’s cat dies, the Entropy is different from the wold with the cat alive, and the difference between them is the cat being alive or not, and obviously, they are two different worlds if we just want to measure Entropy.
Now we have many worlds with many Entropy states, which means as Entropy increases these worlds will end or they stop splitting because of the lack of observation, but they don’t do that altogether, because they have different Entropy, some Worlds end sooner than others.
In (Delayed choice quantum eraser) experiment one can see that in quantum mechanics photons can send massages backward in time, if that is True that means the following:
When the branches of the multiverse end in order, one branch will more likely end after all the other worlds, and when the observer in that last branch makes an observation, all the other worlds will collapse, just like the collapse of the wave-function in quantum mechanics.

Now can one say the we live in the “Best of all possible worlds” and all the possible worlds that could exist as we know from philosophers like Leibniz, these possible worlds don’t exist because they already collapsed and what we call our world the “best of all possible worlds” or sometimes the “path of least action” is just the path of the particle in the “Best of all possible worlds”?

Note: Sorry if you couldn’t understand my English, because I’m not a native or a good English speaker. If you didn’t understand any part let me try to explain it more, And sorry if it sounds naive, but in science all questions are allowed , , thank you.
 
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Hawzhin Blanca said:
let’s say in this branch for some arbitrary reason life get extinct and there is no observer left, then this branch (B_2_e) won’t split again
That's wrong, according to the Everett's interpretation the splitting has nothing to do with life or consciousness. The splitting happens only due to decoherence governed by the Schrödinger equation.
 
Demystifier said:
That's wrong, according to the Everett's interpretation the splitting has nothing to do with life or consciousness. The splitting happens only due to decoherence governed by the Schrödinger equation.
... and, the "splitting" is going on continually, millions of times per second in the chemistry of a single human being, for example. This is just the time evolution of the quantum state, with all possibilities played out, rather than a "collapse" into a single state.
 
PeroK said:
... and, the "splitting" is going on continually, millions of times per second in the chemistry of a single human being, for example. This is just the time evolution of the quantum state, with all possibilities played out, rather than a "collapse" into a single state.
Thank you for your answer , I believe there’s a way to bring these ideas together, but obviously i need some advanced Mathematics to see if any of them works or not.
 

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