Mass Attenuation coefficient greater than 1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the mass attenuation coefficient, particularly why it can exceed 1 at low energies where the photoelectric effect is significant. Participants explore the implications of this coefficient in the context of photon interactions with water at 10 keV.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the mass attenuation coefficient being greater than 1, questioning how it can represent a probability per gram of water.
  • Another participant clarifies that the numerical value of the mass attenuation coefficient depends on the units used, suggesting that a larger value indicates greater absorption.
  • A participant calculates the linear attenuation coefficient (μ) from the mass attenuation coefficient and discusses the implications for photon attenuation through water.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the fraction of photons that would pass through 1 cm of water without interacting, with a specific calculation presented.
  • Another participant corrects the previous statement, specifying that the remaining photons would produce photoelectrons, and discusses the average energy of these photoelectrons.
  • A later reply notes that while most photons will produce photoelectrons, some may interact through other processes, although these are considered unlikely at 10 keV.
  • One participant inquires about the source of the average energy value of 9.25 keV mentioned in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation regarding the mass attenuation coefficient, with some clarifications made but no consensus reached on the implications of the coefficient exceeding 1.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the interactions of photons with matter and the definitions of the coefficients involved, which may not be fully articulated or agreed upon by all participants.

superduke1200
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Hello everyone,

I don't seem to understand why mass Attenuation coefficient is greater than 1 at low energies where photoelectric effect is dominant.

5.2 cm^2 /g at water for 10 kev incident photons.

Since it is the probability to interact per g of water how can it be greater than 1?

I woukd really appreciate your help
 
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5.2 cm^2/g = 5200 cm^2/kg = 0.052 cm^2/mg = 0.0052 m^2/g

There is nothing special about 1, and the numerical value depends on the units you choose. A larger value just means it is absorbed more.
 
What is the problem ?
Mu/rho=5.2 so mu=5.2 /cm for water
So 1 cm of water it comes an attenuation of exp (-5.2) not illogical for 10 kev in waer
PSR
 
PSRB191921 said:
What is the problem ?
Mu/rho=5.2 so mu=5.2 /cm for water
So 1 cm of water it comes an attenuation of exp (-5.2) not illogical for 10 kev in waer
PSR
I think I am getting it.

Exp(-5.2)=0,0055 which means that out of 10.000 incident photons only 55 of them would make it through 1 cm of water without interacting at all.

All the others will remain in the water and produce mainly electrons since the photoelectric effect is dominant?
 
Or to be correct: all the remaining 9945 photons will produce photoelctrons.

Since the average Etr=9,25 Kev we will 9945 photoelctrons with a mean kinetic energy of 9,25 kev
 
superduke1200 said:
Or to be correct: all the remaining 9945 photons will produce photoelctrons.
Technically some of them can interact with nuclei and some can do Compton scattering but these processes are very unlikely at 10 keV.

Where does the 9.25 keV come from?
 
9.25 comes from this appendix
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