Mass extinctions past and future

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of carbon cycle perturbations on mass extinctions, particularly in the context of human-induced changes expected by the year 2100. Participants explore the relationship between carbon isotopic events and extinction rates, as well as the potential long-term effects of carbon buildup in the oceans.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes that mass extinctions are linked to critical rates and sizes of carbon cycle perturbations, suggesting that human activities may lead to significant changes by 2100.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of the estimates regarding carbon buildup and its long-term effects on ocean carbon levels.
  • A correction is noted regarding the amount of carbon required to destabilize the carbon cycle, with an updated figure of 310 gigatons.
  • Some participants find the paper's explanation of extinctions through ecosystem thresholds to be rational and accessible, suggesting it could influence public understanding and political action.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of interest and skepticism regarding the estimates and implications of the research. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the carbon estimates or the timeline for potential reversals of carbon buildup.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the estimates, particularly regarding the time it may take to return to pre-1750 ocean carbon levels if carbon emissions are halted. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the long-term consequences of carbon cycle changes.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying environmental science, climate change, ecological impacts of carbon emissions, and public policy related to environmental issues.

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http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/9/e1700906

Abstract:
The history of the Earth system is a story of change. Some changes are gradual and benign, but others, especially those associated with catastrophic mass extinction, are relatively abrupt and destructive. What sets one group apart from the other? Here, I hypothesize that perturbations of Earth’s carbon cycle lead to mass extinction if they exceed either a critical rate at long time scales or a critical size at short time scales. By analyzing 31 carbon isotopic events during the past 542 million years, I identify the critical rate with a limit imposed by mass conservation. Identification of the crossover time scale separating fast from slow events then yields the critical size. The modern critical size for the marine carbon cycle is roughly similar to the mass of carbon that human activities will likely have added to the oceans by the year 2100.

Discussion article from phys.org:

https://phys.org/news/2017-09-mathematics-sixth-mass-extinction.html

An irreversible change in the carbon cycle will start to occur sometime at or after the year 2100. The changes will not play out instantly but over periods of thousands of years. The point in time is an estimate of the amount of additional carbon - ~216 gigatons - and an approximate time it will have been added in sufficient quantityto the oceans in order to destabilize the carbon cycle.
 
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Wow!

This is going to get heavily checked out because it has huge and obvious political implications.
I am no expert on this material and don't feel all that competent on deciding if this research is good or not, so I'll have to see what more knowledgeable people think.
On the other hand, he's an MIT Prof.

It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
It is really a gross estimate, not exact. And I do not see when the reversal of ocean carbon buildup times out - meaning if we stop adding carbon, how long will it take to get back to say, pre-1750 ocean carbon levels? Assume a long time. The year 1750 is the the approximate start of the "Industrial Age".

It is interesting.
 
Edit: the estimate for the amount of carbon required was reported incorrectly: it should be 310 gigatons of carbon, per the new update.
 
What I find interesting is that this paper provides an easily understandable and (to me) rational cause of extinctions (exceeding the capacity of an ecosystem to deal with an excess chemical). This seems to provide a united explanation of several of the big extinctions.

It also makes the point that there are thresholds which should not be passed without possibly incurring great risk.
And whether the number is 300 or 310 Giga-tons isn't so important as that it looks like we won't have much trouble reaching either of them.

These are things that more people can understand and may base their vote on. This, seems to me, is the most likely path to a less disastrous future.
 

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