Mass falling in Earth's Gravity help

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The problem involves a particle falling under Earth's gravity, with a focus on the forces acting on it, including gravitational force and air resistance, which is described by a quadratic relationship with velocity. The original poster attempts to determine the constant α related to air resistance, given the terminal speed and mass of the particle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational force and air resistance, questioning the correct form of the resistive force and its implications for the problem. There are attempts to derive the constant α and clarify the notation used in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the resistive force and its mathematical representation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the balance of forces at terminal velocity, but there is still uncertainty about the correct formulation of the resistive force and its implications for the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the notation used for the resistive force and its implications for the problem. There is also mention of potential issues with units and the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A particle falls in Earth's gravity. The force of air resistance is F = −αv v where v is the velocity, v is the speed, and α is a constant. (The direction of the force is opposite to the velocity, and the magnitude of the force is αv^2.) If the terminal speed is 20.2 m/s and the mass is 2.6 kg, determine the constant α.

Homework Equations


F=mdv/dt


The Attempt at a Solution


m(dv/dt)=mg-aplhav
thus v(t)=(mg/aplha)(1-e^(-(alpha/m)t))
so aplha if I am correct should be (mg/Vterminal)=1.263, however I am not sure of the units for this. My guess would be kg/s however my homework programs says that is incorrect, and also I feel I may have neglected the [/B]v[/B] and the magnitude of the opposing force causing a wrong answer.
If someone could shed some light on this it is greatly appreciated.
 
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From your formula it seems that you need to use

F=-αv2 so you'd have

ma = mg - αv2
 
If that's the case then what does the F=-αv mean? To me, the question is pretty confusing as far as what goes where.
 
At terminal velocity the velocity is constant. So the acceleration must be nil. What can you say about the forces acting in that case?
 
it would be dv/dt=a=0 thus the net forces are balanced, I guess my confusion is what is the question asking for as the resistive force F=-αv or F=-αv^2?
 
kraigandrews said:
it would be dv/dt=a=0 thus the net forces are balanced, I guess my confusion is what is the question asking for as the resistive force F=-αv or F=-αv^2?

Well, I'd go with the magnitude of the resistive force and make the appropriate assumption about its direction for a body falling straight down :wink:

I do find the notation vv a bit odd. I mean, why not v with a unit vector for direction? Maybe it's just me...:smile:
 
The magnitude of F = −αv v, where the second v is a vector is -av^2. And it points in a direction opposite to the vector v if a is a positive constant.
 
gneill said:
Well, I'd go with the magnitude of the resistive force and make the appropriate assumption about its direction for a body falling straight down :wink:

I do find the notation vv a bit odd. I mean, why not v with a unit vector for direction? Maybe it's just me...:smile:

I think the problem statement says the magnitude is av^2. So I don't think they mean the vector v to be a unit. As you said.
 
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Dick said:
I think the problem statement says the magnitude is av^2. So I don't think they mean the vector v to be a unit.

Hi Dick, That was my point; it wasn't a (magnitude)*(unit-vector) construct, but rather a magnitude*vector (vv as opposed to v2u).

On reflection, I can see the utility of doing it this way when the magnitude you want is the square of the vector. vv rather than v2*(v/v).
 
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gneill said:
Hi Dick, That was my point; it wasn't a (magnitude)*(unit-vector) construct, but rather a magnitude*vector (vv as opposed to v2u).

On reflection, I can see the utility of doing it this way when the magnitude you want is the square of the vector. vv rather than v2*(v/v).

Hi gneill, yeah, I realized what you meant after I posted. Nothing wrong with the unit vector notation either. At least it makes the velocity dependence clearer than it was to kraigandrews.
 

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