Mass Oscillation: Conditions for Simple Harmonic Motion

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the motion of a mass (m) influenced by two fixed masses (M) can be approximated as simple harmonic motion. The scenario involves gravitational forces acting on mass (m) and the formulation of the equation of motion in relation to the positions of the masses.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gravitational forces and the resulting motion of mass (m), questioning how to simplify the equation of motion to fit the criteria for simple harmonic motion. There is discussion about isolating components of the forces and considering small oscillations.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering insights into the conditions necessary for approximating the motion as simple harmonic. There is an exploration of the Taylor expansion and the implications of small oscillations, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants note that the approximation to simple harmonic motion typically applies under the condition of small oscillations, specifically when the displacement (x) is much smaller than the distance (L) from the origin to the fixed masses.

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Hello,
In my question,I have two masses ( M ) ,one fixed at +y and the other at -y axis and both have a distance of L from the origine. The third mass (m) is located on the +x axis at the distance of X.

I know that the gravitational forces are acting on the (m) by both masses (M), The net force is on the x-axis toward (-x) and magnitude of 2Fgrav and this force will accelerate the (m) toward equilibrium (Origine) and once it is there the Fgrav =0 but because it has a velocity it will continue until its velocity=0 , So this Fgrav force on the X axis is Restoring force .Therefore,the mass will oscilate. My question is since my equation is
(x:+2GMmx/(L^2+X^2)^3/2=0) , I can't say this is Simple harmonic oscillation because my equation of motion doesn't just consist of x but x/(...+x^2)^3/2,
So under what condition for x ,it is possible to say that the motion of the mass (m) can be approximated as Simple harmonic motion ?

Any idea?

thanks
 
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if you know that the mass will oscillate back and forth on the x-axis then you don't need the y components and you can use trig to isolate the x component of the force. this will give you an equation in x
 
Do you mean that since my equation of motion x (2dot)+2GMm(x/(L^2+x^2)^3/2=0, ( for SHM, the equation of motion x(2dot)+W^2x=0 ) I can just say that (L^2+x^2)^3/2 = 1 so x=(1-L^2)^1/2 )

Is this right ?

thanks
 
esradw said:
So under what condition for x ,it is possible to say that the motion of the mass (m) can be approximated as Simple harmonic motion ?
As with most other problems where the approximation to a harmonic oscillator is made, the relevant regime is one of small oscillations, ie: x << L (so that, to first order in L2 + x2 ~ L2 )

Typically, you write the taylor expansion, and will see that the first term after the linear term is of order 3 in x/L. You can throw away this and smaller terms.
 
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thank you very much,I understand now
 

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