Mass Transference: Can Light be Converted to Matter?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of mass transference from light, specifically whether light, which is massless, can be converted into mass and the implications of energy traveling at speeds exceeding that of light. Participants explore theoretical aspects, experimental references, and analogies to clarify their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light energy can change into mass, such as when a photon becomes a particle-antiparticle pair, though this process typically results in annihilation and the production of photons.
  • Others mention that a photon can increase the effective mass of an atom or molecule by exciting it to a higher-energy state.
  • A participant recalls the Wang, Kuzmich, and Dogariu experiment, suggesting it is interesting but does not imply energy can travel faster than light.
  • One participant questions the claim that energy can travel at 310 times the speed of light, asserting that all electromagnetic energy travels at the speed of light.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of superluminal motion, explaining that while a spotlight can appear to move faster than light, this does not involve any physical object exceeding the speed of light.
  • It is noted that while shadows and light spots can move faster than light, they do not carry physical information, as confirmed by various experiments.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between light, energy, and mass, with no consensus reached on the implications of energy traveling faster than light or the nature of superluminal motion.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions of mass and energy, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms of mass conversion and the conditions under which energy might appear to exceed light speed.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/07/19/tech/main216905.shtml

This raised a few questions. If light has no mass, can i assume it is then energy and could thus be transferred back into mass?

And if energy can travel at 310 times the speed of light, why couldn't its equivalent in mass.
 
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Yes, light energy can sometimes change into mass. For example, a photon may become a particle-antiparticle pair. However, the antiparticle willl usually soon annihilate with another particle, making that particle and the antiparticle disappear, and making another photon.
Or, a photon may strike some atom or molecule and bump it into a higher-energy state, which will increase the effective mass of that item. (or that's my vague understanding, anyway).

Now, as to the Wang, Kuzmich and Dogariu experiment, I remember much discussion about it at the time (five years ago), and seemto recall that while it's an interesting effect, it doesn't actually translate to energy traveling at greater than light speed.

I think it's kind of like this:
Imagine a huge stadium encompassing the whole solar system. Now, give everyone a timer, and ask them to stand up and sit down when the timer goes off. If you set up your timers properly, you could have a Mexican Wave that goes around the stadium at faster than light speed...
 
PeteSF said:
Yes, light energy can sometimes change into mass. For example, a photon may become a particle-antiparticle pair. However, the antiparticle willl usually soon annihilate with another particle, making that particle and the antiparticle disappear, and making another photon.
Or, a photon may strike some atom or molecule and bump it into a higher-energy state, which will increase the effective mass of that item. (or that's my vague understanding, anyway).

Now, as to the Wang, Kuzmich and Dogariu experiment, I remember much discussion about it at the time (five years ago), and seemto recall that while it's an interesting effect, it doesn't actually translate to energy traveling at greater than light speed.

I think it's kind of like this:
Imagine a huge stadium encompassing the whole solar system. Now, give everyone a timer, and ask them to stand up and sit down when the timer goes off. If you set up your timers properly, you could have a Mexican Wave that goes around the stadium at faster than light speed...


surely you could do this, but i don't see the relation.
 
oldunion said:
And if energy can travel at 310 t...magnetic energy travel AT the speed of light.
 
oldunion said:
surely you could do this, but i don't see the relation.
He is demonstrating what is called superluminal motion. If you shine a flashlight at a distant star, and then quickly point it at another star, you can make the spotlight move faster than the speed of light. There isn't really any THING that exceeds c, so no violation.

But I don't know how superluminal motion relates to your question either.
 
oldunion said:
surely you could do this, but i don't see the relation.
Well, that's pretty much what they did in the experiment. The energy was already in place, they just made each bit jump at the right time to look like a superluminal pulse. (Although "Just" might not be the right word!)
 
Shadows and light spots can go faster than light but they can't carry physical information. This is confirmed by many experiments, including the spot of a laser which is pointed at the surface of the moon.

This can also be confirmed using logic. Distance and direction are abstract and therefore there is no real communication taking place between the physical objects.
 
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