Mastering the Art of Proofs: Tips for Struggling Learners

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The discussion revolves around strategies for learning how to construct mathematical proofs. Participants share their experiences, challenges, and resources related to understanding and communicating proofs effectively.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in explaining proofs step by step and seeks tips for approaching them.
  • Another suggests that proofs must be general and discusses various methods such as contradiction, contrapositive, induction, and direct proof.
  • A participant attempts to prove that the square of an even number is even but acknowledges the inadequacy of their explanation.
  • Another participant provides a more structured approach to the proof, emphasizing the need to define what an even number is and to show that squaring it results in an even number.
  • Resources such as "The Nuts and Bolts of Proofs" and "How to Read and Write Proofs" are recommended for further learning.
  • There is a challenge to the adequacy of a previous proof attempt, highlighting the importance of starting from definitions and not assuming what needs to be proven.
  • A participant reflects on their language barrier affecting their ability to construct proofs.
  • Discussion includes the notion that mathematical definitions are "working definitions" and emphasizes the importance of precise definitions in proofs.
  • A request for a definition of an even number leads to a clarification that an even number can be expressed as 2n, where n is an integer.
  • A link to additional resources on writing math proofs is shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and comfort with proofs, indicating that multiple competing views on how to approach proofs exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for learning and communicating proofs effectively.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding of definitions and the structure of proofs, indicating that there may be unresolved assumptions or steps in their reasoning.

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does anyone have any tips on learning how to do proofs. completing a proof isn't something I am good at, at all. I know how to get answers and I can do the math but explaining it to someone step by step, using the right communication. Seems like a foreign language to me. any tips on learning what ways to approach a proof?
 
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There are several factors. One is considering possibilities. A proof must be general so it must work for all possibilities not just some. You need to know several general approaches like contradiction, contrapositive, induction, direct and so forth. Several things you will want to do is read some common proofs like there are infinite primes and sqrt(2) is irrational and try to understand why the proof works and how someone would come up with it. Practice proving simple things like e^x is not a polynomial and the square of an even number is even.
 
the square of an even number is even.
the way I would prove that.
because an even number times an even number equals an even number.
sounds terrible I know..
 
462chevelle said:
the square of an even number is even.
the way I would prove that.
because an even number times an even number equals an even number.
Why?
462chevelle said:
sounds terrible I know..
Any even number n can be written in the form n = 2k, for some integer k. (An odd number can be written in the form 2m + 1.)

What do you get when you square 2k? Can you convince yourself that the result is also even?

There are a couple of books that might be helpful to you: The Nuts and Bolts of Proofs, and How to Read and Write Proofs. You should be able to do a web search on those titles and come up with the authors and other info.
 
I read them both :smile:
 
Eddybob123: Did they work? Are you now comfortable with writing proofs? And can you understand other proofs that you read?
 
462chevelle said:
the square of an even number is even.
the way I would prove that.
because an even number times an even number equals an even number.
sounds terrible I know..

That's not a proof at all, it's an assertion.

If you set out to prove that the square of an even number is an even number, you start from what an even number is, and what a square is, and show that it is even.

You can't assume that an even number times an even number is an even number, because you are assuming what you are trying to prove in the guise of a slightly more general statement.
 
you're right. that is where my language barrier suffers.
 
One of the things one needs to learn about matheatics is that mathmatical definitions are "working definitions". That is, you can use the precise words of the definitions in problems or proofs.

If I were asked to prove that "the product of two even numbers is an even number", the first thing I would think about is the definition of "even number".

So- do you know what an even number is? What is the definition of an even number?

(Saying that "2, 4, 6 are even numbers" or "even numbers are numbers like 2, 4, 6" are NOT definitions.)
 
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would you care to define an even number for me?
 
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462chevelle said:
would you care to define an even number for me?
It is a number which can be factored as ##2n##, where ##n## is an integer.
 
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