Mastering the Chain Rule with Fractions for Calculus Students

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The discussion revolves around differentiating a function involving fractions using the chain rule, specifically the function "1/4x-7". Participants are exploring the correct interpretation of the function and the application of differentiation techniques in calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the correct form of the function and its implications for differentiation. Questions arise about the choice of substitution for the chain rule and the reasoning behind the power of the denominator in the derivative.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants providing insights and asking clarifying questions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process and the interpretation of the function, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the notation used for the function, which affects the understanding of how to apply the chain rule. Participants also mention the context of the problem being an introduction to calculus, which may influence their approach and understanding.

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Okay, I know how to differentiate regular functions. But when it comes to fractions, I'm hopeless. This may be an extremely simple one to some, here is the function; "1/4x-7"
I have to differentiate that using the chain rule.

I think that u=4x-7, but I am not sure. As i said, I am horrible when it comes to fractions in the chain rule.
 
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TheAkuma said:
Okay, I know how to differentiate regular functions. But when it comes to fractions, I'm hopeless. This may be an extremely simple one to some, here is the function; "1/4x-7"
I have to differentiate that using the chain rule.

I think that u=4x-7, but I am not sure. As i said, I am horrible when it comes to fractions in the chain rule.
First, what exactly is your function? Is it (1/4)x- 7 or 1/(4x)- 7 or 1/(4x- 7)?

Since you say "I think that u=4x-7", I assume it is 1/(4x- 7). As for what "u" is, that's your choice. TRY something and see if it works. If you choose u= 4x- 7 then 1/(4x-7)= 1/u= u-1. Can you differentiate that? And you certainly ought to be able to differentiate u= 4x-7 (the derivative of a linear function is just its slope). Finally, the chain rule says
\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{du}\frac{du}{dx}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
First, what exactly is your function? Is it (1/4)x- 7 or 1/(4x)- 7 or 1/(4x- 7)?

Since you say "I think that u=4x-7", I assume it is 1/(4x- 7). As for what "u" is, that's your choice. TRY something and see if it works. If you choose u= 4x- 7 then 1/(4x-7)= 1/u= u-1. Can you differentiate that? And you certainly ought to be able to differentiate u= 4x-7 (the derivative of a linear function is just its slope). Finally, the chain rule says
\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{du}\frac{du}{dx}.

well the function is actually 1/4x-7. there is no brackets so i naturally assumed u=4x-7. I get it how the answer is -4/(4x-7)2 but why is it squared? i was thinking 1/u X -4 where u=4x-7. What I want to know now is why is the u squared?
 
Ohh! when there is a power of at the bottom of the fraction, does it go up? like from to the power of one it'll go up to the power of 2?
 
I'm guessing that your function is written in your text or worksheet like this:
\frac{1}{4x - 7}

When you write it on a single line, you have to put parentheses around the terms in the denominator. IOW, like this: 1/(4x - 7).

The way you wrote it, without parentheses, would be interpreted like this:
\frac{1}{4} x - 7

BTW, why did you post this under Precalculus Mathematics? This is obviously a calculus problem.
 
TheAkuma said:
Ohh! when there is a power of at the bottom of the fraction, does it go up? like from to the power of one it'll go up to the power of 2?
\frac{1}{x^2}= x^{-2} and the derivative of x^n is nx^{n-1} where n is any number [As GibZ pointed out- any number except -1!]. If n= -2 what does that give you?

(You could also do that problem using the "quotient rule": the derivative of u(x)/v(x)= (u'v- uv')/v2. If u=1 and v= x2, what does that give you?
 
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Mark44 said:
I'm guessing that your function is written in your text or worksheet like this:
\frac{1}{4x - 7}

When you write it on a single line, you have to put parentheses around the terms in the denominator. IOW, like this: 1/(4x - 7).

The way you wrote it, without parentheses, would be interpreted like this:
\frac{1}{4} x - 7

BTW, why did you post this under Precalculus Mathematics? This is obviously a calculus problem.

Well my teacher told me that this is sort of like the introduction to calculus.
 
HallsofIvy said:
\frac{1}{x^2}= x^{-2} and the derivative of x^n is nx^{n-1} where n is any number. If n= -2 what does that give you?

Careful! Not if n=0 !. =]

TheAkuma: Introduction or not, please post under the calculus section. If helps the homework helpers out if they know what kind of things to expect to help people with.
 

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