Match Parametric Equations with Graphs - Explanation Help for 21, 23, and 25

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The discussion focuses on matching specific parametric equations with their corresponding graphs, particularly for problems 21, 23, and 25. Participants seek to understand the reasoning behind the graph selections based on the characteristics of the equations, involving concepts of geometry and motion in the $xz$ and $xy$ planes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the appearance of the "shadow" of the parametric equations in the $xz$ plane.
  • Another participant suggests that the equations $x=\cos(t)$ and $z=\sin(t)$ would describe a circle.
  • There is a discussion about how introducing a factor of $t$ in front of the trigonometric functions affects the shape, with one participant proposing it affects the amplitude or radius.
  • Participants explore the implications of an increasing radius on the shape produced, leading to the idea of a spiral or expanding circle.
  • For problem 25, participants identify that ignoring $z$ leads to a circle in the $xy$-plane, and they discuss the implications of the equation for $z$ on the overall shape, suggesting a helical curve.
  • One participant notes that as $t$ increases, $z$ also increases, indicating a climbing helix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the circular nature of the graphs derived from the parametric equations, but there is uncertainty regarding the effects of the parameters on the shapes and the final conclusions about the graphs for problems 21 and 25 remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over specific aspects of the parametric equations and their graphical representations, indicating a need for further clarification on the relationship between the equations and the resulting shapes.

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match the parametric equations with the graphs. i need help with 21 23 and 25. i have the answers but i need explanations for why that specific graph matches with the set of equations. I've been stuck on these for a long time. please help!

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Let's look at the first one, 21.) What will its "shadow" in the $xz$ plane look like?
 
i don't know. i don't understand the question.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
i don't know. i don't understand the question.

Okay, ignore $y$ for the moment, what would the curve then defined by the parametric equations for $x$ and $z$ look like in the $xz$ plane?
 

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No, what if you had:

$$\begin{cases}x=\cos(t) \\[3pt] z=\sin(t) \\ \end{cases}$$

And then how would the factor of $t$ affect this?
 
im getting confused. x=cos t and z=sin t would make a circle.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
im getting confused. x=cos t and z=sin t would make a circle.

Yes, good! :D

So, then what do you think the $t$ in front of the trig functions would do to the circle?
 
i don't know. it affects the amplitude?
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
i don't know. it affects the amplitude?

Yes, that's one way to look at it, I think of it affecting the radius, it is in effect a circle with an increasing radius, which begins at zero, and increases linearly. So, what would we call a circle whose radius is increasing?
 
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a circle with an increasing radius :confused:
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
a circle with an increasing radius :confused:

Think of attempting to draw a circle, but the radius keeps growing as you wind around the center...what will you draw instead?
 
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thanks. i think i figured them out though
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
thanks. i think i figured them out though

Well, alrighty then. (Smoking)
 
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i got the first and second but I am still stuck on the last one (25)
 
  • #16
It is similar to the first one. If you ignore $z$, what would you have in the $xy$-plane?
 
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the z was meant to be an x but its still a circle
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
its a circle. i wanted to upload a pic but the uploader is being dumb graph z'=' cos 8t and y'=' sin 8t - Wolfram|Alpha

Yes, it's indeed a circle with a fixed radius of one unit, so we know we will have a helical curve of some sort. What does the equation for $z$ tell us about how the helix will climb?
 
  • #20
as t increases so does z so I am guessing a circle on the xy plane that increases across z so IV
 
  • #21
Yes, since $z$ increases exponentially, we then expect the helix to climb exponentially. So IV does seem to fit the bill. :D
 

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