Material Inflation: Analysis of Intermolecular Forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of material inflation, particularly focusing on how certain materials can absorb fluids and expand, potentially due to intermolecular forces. Participants explore various examples, mechanisms, and implications of this behavior in different contexts, including elastomers and medical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that certain materials can drive fluids into themselves and inflate by pushing their own molecules apart, questioning the equilibrium state of intermolecular distances.
  • Another participant inquires about specific materials, suggesting a dry compressed bath sponge as an example of a material that expands when wet.
  • A participant proposes the concept of swelling elastomers as a potential explanation for the observed inflation behavior.
  • Discussion includes a reference to a "balloon pill" used for weight loss, speculating on its mechanism of action related to static pressure and density changes.
  • A later reply provides a rough description of the mechanism involving cross-linked polymers and solvent interaction, highlighting the balance between solvent entry and polymer chain resistance.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a survival pack containing a compressed oat biscuit designed to swell when mixed with water, drawing a parallel to the inflation concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints and examples related to material inflation, but there is no consensus on a singular mechanism or definition. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific materials and mechanisms without fully resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions related to intermolecular forces and material behavior.

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I have observed that certain materials can drive fluids into themselves and push their own molecules apart, thus inflating itself. When, I try to reason, I'm not quite successful. Even if there is surface tension or under atm pressure, extension of intermol. distance is departure from equilibrium, which I'm not sure is supposed to happen. If it is already internally stressed, then it must also eat up surrounding air, but it does that only with water.
 
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Which materials?

A dry compressed bath sponge will expand when wet. Is that what you are taking about?
 
vin300 said:
I have observed that certain materials can drive fluids into themselves and push their own molecules apart, thus inflating itself. When, I try to reason, I'm not quite successful. Even if there is surface tension or under atm pressure, extension of intermol. distance is departure from equilibrium, which I'm not sure is supposed to happen. If it is already internally stressed, then it must also eat up surrounding air, but it does that only with water.
Are you talking about swelling of elastomers?
 
Doctors in the czech republic have demonstrated desirable results for weight loss using what reporters are calling "balloon pill". It is a pill that takes up portion of stomach volume thus enforcing reduced ingestion. Maybe it is termed swelling elastomer. I don't know, but what maybe the mechanism of action? Purely static pressure reducing density by driving out air until elastomer tension equals water force?
 
vin300 said:
Doctors in the czech republic have demonstrated desirable results for weight loss using what reporters are calling "balloon pill". It is a pill that takes up portion of stomach volume thus enforcing reduced ingestion. Maybe it is termed swelling elastomer. I don't know, but what maybe the mechanism of action? Purely static pressure reducing density by driving out air until elastomer tension equals water force?
Google "swelling of elastomers" and "swelling of rubber" for a description of the mechanism.
 
Here's a rough description of the mechanism. The polymer and the solvent tend to be mutually soluble, and, under ordinary circumstances, their molecules would totally intermingle. However, in the case of an elastomer, the polymer is cross linked, and there are polymer chains between cross links. These polymer chains act as little springs. So, when the solvent tries to intermingle with the polymer, it is able to do so only to a limited extent, because the structure is held together by the springs. The amount of solvent that the elastomer can take up is limited by how much the chains stretch. There is a balance between the driving force for the solvent molecules to enter and intermingle with the polymer, and the action of the chains (between cross links) to try to squeeze the solvent out of the structure. The net result is an equilibrium featuring a swollen cross linked polymer containing solvent molecules within its structure.
 
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Some 30 years ago some vandals broke into an Army Cadet building and ate the contents of a survival pack. I was told the pack contained some sort of compressed oat biscuit that was designed to swell up and make 6 pints of porridge when mixed with water. So perhaps it was fortunate that they also ate the laxative chocolate.
 

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