Math Axioms Problem: Solve Questions & Get Hints

  • Thread starter Thread starter ynuo
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Axioms
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the axioms of affine planes and poses two mathematical questions regarding parallel lines and commensurability of real numbers. The axioms define key concepts such as points, lines, collinearity, and parallelism. The user expresses confusion over the relationship between definitions of parallel lines and common points, particularly in proving that if two lines are parallel to a third line, they must also be parallel to each other. The user has made progress on the second question regarding commensurability but seeks clarification on the first question.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of affine planes and their axioms
  • Familiarity with concepts of parallel lines and collinearity
  • Basic knowledge of rational numbers and commensurability
  • Introductory set theory concepts
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the properties of affine planes in greater detail
  • Learn about the implications of parallel lines in Euclidean geometry
  • Explore the concept of commensurability in number theory
  • Review basic set theory to understand relationships between sets and elements
USEFUL FOR

Mathematics students, educators, and anyone interested in geometric axioms and their applications in proofs and problem-solving.

ynuo
Messages
18
Reaction score
0
Hello,

Can you please help me with the questions listed below. I would like to get hints on how I can solve them. I have listed first the axioms and then the questions at the bottom.

Axioms:

---------------------------------------------------------
A plane consists of:

-two sets P and L such that P && L = phi
-a subset I of P * L.

Given any plane (P,L,I) we make the following definitions:

(1) The elements of P are called points and those of L
are called lines.

(2) Let x be a point and L be a line; to indicate that
(x,L) ?element of I? we say that the point x is on the line L",
or that the line L goes through the point x."

(3) Points x, y, z are said to be collinear if there
exists a line L which goes through x, y, and z.

(4) A common point of lines L1, L2 is a point x which is
on each of L1, L2.

(5) Two lines L1, L2 are said to be parallel if L1 = L2
or if the lines have no common point.

Definition. An affine plane is a plane (P,L,I) which satisfies the following conditions:

Af1: Given distinct points x, y, there exists a unique line which goes through x and y.

Af2: Given a line L and a point x, there exists a unique line L0 which goes through x and which is parallel to L.

Af3: There exist three points which are not collinear.
---------------------------------------------------------

Questions:

1) Prove that for any lines L1, L2, L3 in an any plane,
if L1 is parallel to L2 and L2 is parallel to L3 then L1 is parallel to L3.

2) Let x > 0 and y > 0 be real numbers. Show that the pair x, y is commensurable if and only if x/y is a rational number.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
A very nice list of questions you have there! :smile:

Was it so hard to type it in that you didn't have time to do any thinking on your own as to what the answers might be?
 
Here is what I have done so far:

For the 2nd I believe I got the answer. But for the first one I think that definition 4 contradicts definition 5 and Af3. Because by definition 5:

L1=L2 and L2=L3.

This means according to definition 4 that every point contained by L1 is contained by L2. Also, every point contained by L2 is contained by L3. This implies that L1=L3.

The second part of definition 5 says that two lines are parallel if they have no common points. Suppose that L1 and L2 have no common points. L2 and L3 have no common points. How can I prove that L1 and L3 have no common points. I haven't studied set theory so I am not sure how to do this.

Thanks.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
12K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K