Math & David Hume: Tangents & Circles

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The discussion revolves around a passage by David Hume regarding the relationship between tangents and circles, exploring its implications in mathematics and the understanding of angles. Participants express curiosity about Hume's observations and their relevance to calculus and geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant interprets Hume's statement as suggesting that the angle of contact between a circle and its tangent approaches zero as the diameter increases, reflecting on the intuitive understanding of angles at the point of contact.
  • Another participant notes that the angle formed by two straight lines is always greater than that formed by two circles touching at a point, implying a comparison of angles in different geometric contexts.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that Hume's writing reflects the early stages of calculus discovery, indicating that his observations may relate to curvature rather than established mathematical principles.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about Hume's reference to other curves and their tangents, suggesting it may be a confusing or irrelevant point in his argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of Hume's passage, with no consensus on its meaning or implications. Some agree on the general idea of angles approaching zero, while others question the clarity and relevance of Hume's statements.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the historical context of Hume's writing, noting the limited understanding of calculus during his time, which may affect the interpretation of his ideas.

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I recent came across this paragraph by David Hume. Although he is considered a philosopher, he tried to make comments on math as well. I find this one interesting, but I have no idea what it means and what he is getting at. Out of pure curiosity, does anyone else know what this means?: "The angle of contact between a circle and its tangent is infinitely less than any rectilinear angle, so that as you may increase the diameter of the circle to infinity, this angle of contact becomes still less, even in infinity, and that the angle of contact between other curves and their tangents may be infinitely less than those between any circle and its tangent, and so on, infinity".
 
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I think he's observing that if you look at a tangent touching a circle, you get a sort of intuitive feel of their making a small angle, which I think is the brain making a kind of practical average of the angles of the gradients of the circle over the parts of the approach to the contact point that we can make out.

But then if we zoom in with a magnifier, that apparent angle gets smaller. The more we zoom in and magnify, the smaller it appears, and there is no theoretical limit to that shrinking, because the actual 'angle' at the contact point is zero.

These days we have a mathematical language that enables us to understand and express that much more concisely and clearly. But we need to remember that Hume was writing not long after Newton and Leibniz, and the tools of calculus were not widely understood, and their consequences were not yet much explored.

I don't know what he was getting at with the last bit that starts with 'and that the angle of contact between other curves...'. It's quite likely that it's just a red herring and he got confused. Hume was an unparalleled genius (IMHO) but I think we can forgive him not being an expert on calculus, given that that wasn't his forte, and the era when he was writing.
 
I didn't know that the angle formed by two straight lines is always greater than that formed by two circles touching each other at one point
 
I think this is the kind of writing you'd expect from people who are in the process of discovering calculus. It shows that nowadays (through huge efforts), calculus is much better understood. Basically, the thing he seems to be going for is curvature.
 

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