Mathematical Induction and proofs

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The discussion revolves around the use of mathematical induction to prove several statements related to divisibility and properties of integers. The specific problems include proving that if n is an even positive integer, then n³-4n is divisible by 48, demonstrating that the square of an odd integer is of a certain form, and establishing the last two digits of 7 raised to various powers.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents three homework problems involving proofs and expresses confusion about how to approach them, particularly regarding mathematical induction.
  • Another participant clarifies the steps required for mathematical induction, emphasizing the need to prove both a base case and an inductive step.
  • There is a discussion about whether to use f(n+2) or f(2n) in the induction process, with a consensus forming around using f(n+2).
  • Participants explore the expression for f(n+2) and attempt to show that the difference between f(n+2) and f(n) is divisible by 48, given that n is even.
  • One participant derives that the difference is 6n² + 12n and discusses its divisibility by 24, leading to further exploration of its divisibility by 48.
  • There is a back-and-forth regarding whether k²+k is odd or even, with a conclusion that it is even, which supports the argument for divisibility by 48.
  • Ultimately, a participant expresses confidence in concluding the proof after establishing both f(n) and f(n+2) are divisible by 48.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps required for mathematical induction and the approach to proving the first problem. However, there is some initial confusion regarding the correct formulation of the induction step and the specific expressions to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the proofs and the application of mathematical induction, indicating that they are still refining their understanding of the method. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the other homework problems presented.

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Homework Statement



1. Prove that if n is an even positive integer, then n³-4n is always divisible by 48.

2. Prove taht the square of an odd integer is always of the form 8k+1, where k is an integer.

3. Observe that the last two digits of 7² are 49, the last two digits of 7³ are 43, thel ast two digits of 7^4 are 01, and the last two digits of 7^5 are 07. Prove that the last two digits of 7^201 are 07.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Basically the homework handed out today for my semester 2 discrete and geometry class in high school. I have no experience in proofs and the teacher assigned this without doing any examples :(

I need help on my form and revision on how I attempt these proofs and basically what I can work on to make them look more convincing and professional.

1. Let n = 48k, 48k+2, 48k+4
n³-4n divisible by 48
=(48k)³-4(48)
=110592k³-192k
=192k(576k²-1)
Since 192 is divisible by 48, statement is true.
Should I check with 48k+2, 48k+4 afteR?

2. Since k is an odd integer, we can represent it as 2k+1
(2k+1)² = 8k + 1
4k²+4k+1 = 8k +1
4k²+4k=8k
4k(k+1)=8k
8k is divisible by 4k so statement is true.

3. This one i need help the most.

I figured
7^1 = 7
7^2 = 49
7^3 = 343
7^4 = 2401

and it rotates from 7,9,3,1 (last digit) every 4 numbers...so 7^5 would end with a 7.

so 7^4n+1 would yield a number that ends with 7, 7^4n+2 would yield a number that ends with a 9, etc

so if 7^201 ends with a 7
7^4n+1 = 7^201, n must be an integer
4n+1 = 201
4n = 200
n = 50

Conversely for 7^202
7^4n+1 = 7^202
4n+1 = 202
4n = 201
n is not an integer so 7^202 does not end with a 7.

Getting confused...it looks right sometimes but sometimes it doesn't...am I donig the right stuff?
 
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I don't think you quite get mathematical induction. Take 1) and let f(n)=n^3-4*n. You want to prove this is divisible by 48 for n=2,4,6,8... You want to prove two things.

i) f(2) is divisible by 48. (This is the easy part!)

ii) IF f(n) is divisible by 48 THEN f(n+2) is divisible by 48.

Do you see how those two things would prove the result for all positive even n?
 
ah thank you i think i understand it a bit more now

wait..is it f(n+2) or f(2n) ?
i thought for any even number its 2n and for odd its 2n+1

okay so

f(2) = (2)³ - 4(2) = 0 therefore for n=2 it is true
f(2n) = (2n)³ - 4(2n)
= 8n³ - 8n
= 8n(n²-1)

how do i prove from hereforth that the expression is divisible by 48 for any value of n?
 
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No! It is f(n+2). So once you have that it is true for f(2), then ii) tells you it is true for f(2+2)=f(4), which in turn means it's true for f(4+2)=f(6) etc etc.
 
f(n+2) = (n+2)³ - 4(n+2)
= n³+6n²+8n

where do i go from here?
 
Well, we get to ASSUME f(n) is divisible by 48. How might we show this f(n+2) is also divisible by 48?
 
factor...
 
tim_lou said:
factor...

I don't think it's going to work that way. Besides, we are TRYING to do induction here. That is what the assignment calls for.
 
wait let me try this again
f(n+2) = (n+2)³ - 4(n+2)
= n³ + 6n² + 12n + 8 -4n - 8

since f(n) = n³-4n and proven that it was divisible by 48

f(n+2) = n³ - 4n + 6n² + 12n
= n³ - 4n + 6n(n+2)
 
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Good! So you've shown the difference between f(n+2) and f(n) is 6*n^2+12*n. Can you show that is divisible by 48? (Remember n is even, right?).
 
  • #11
6n² + 12n...
so then n = 2k cause its even

6(2k)² + 12(2k)
6(4k²) + 24k
24k² + 24k

is that it?
 
  • #12
I see that it is divisible by 24. Why is it divisible by 48?
 
  • #13
i don't know lol I'm so close...

is it because since i tested f(2) beforehand, 2 is also divisible...

and 2 x 24 = 48?
 
  • #14
Your answer is 24*(k^2+k). Is k^2+k odd or even (where k can be either even or odd)?
 
  • #15
k²+k has to be even for any value of k...so therefore its divisible by 2?
 
  • #16
Yes. So 24*(k^2+k) is divisible by what?
 
  • #17
is divisible by 48...

so since both sides can be divisible by 48...can i conclude that f(n+2) is divisible by 48...and so conclude my whole proof altogether since I've proved both f(n) and f(n+2)
 
  • #18
QED. It's a stepladder f(2)->f(4)->f(6)->f(8)... Write it up nicely, think about it and try the others in the same spirit.
 

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