Proof by Induction Involving Divisibility

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The discussion revolves around proving the statement P(n): 7|(34n+1-52n-1 for every natural number n using mathematical induction. Participants are exploring the structure of the proof and the necessary steps to establish the inductive hypothesis.

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  • Participants discuss the base case for P(1) and the transition to P(k+1), with some expressing uncertainty about their current steps and the application of the inductive hypothesis. There are attempts to manipulate expressions involving powers and divisibility.

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Some participants have made progress in proving the base case and are attempting to apply the inductive hypothesis. However, there is a lack of consensus on the correctness of certain steps, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored. Hints and suggestions for further exploration have been provided, but no definitive conclusions have been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of proving the statement for all natural numbers and are questioning the validity of their manipulations and assumptions throughout the proof process.

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Homework Statement


Let P(n): 7|(34n+1-52n-1. Prove that P(n) is true for every natural number n.

Homework Equations


*I know that proving by induction requires a proving P(1) true, and then proving P(k+1) true.
*If a|b, then b=a*n, for some n∈ℤ

The Attempt at a Solution


I have proved the "base case" for P(1). Long story short, for n=1, you wind up with 7|238 by definition of divisibility since 238=7(34). So P(1) is true.

The next part is where it gets tricky - Assuming P(k) is true, that is, 7|(34k+1-52k-1, which is the inductive hypothesis. Then proving for P(k+1). What I have so far is...
7|7|(34(k+1)+1-52(k+1)-1
=34k+5-52k+1
=34 * 34k+1-51*52k
=34 * 34k+1-(3*52k+2*52k)
=34 * 34k+1-3*52k-2*52k
=.....

Now I don't know what to do! I know I have to get it to the point where I can use the inductive hypothesis, which is what I'm trying to do, but I've hit a wall, or taken a wrong turn when split the 5 into a two and a three. Any ideas?
 
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Colleen G said:

Homework Statement


Let P(n): 7|(34n+1-52n-1. Prove that P(n) is true for every natural number n.

Homework Equations


*I know that proving by induction requires a proving P(1) true, and then proving P(k+1) true.
*If a|b, then b=a*n, for some n∈ℤ

The Attempt at a Solution


I have proved the "base case" for P(1). Long story short, for n=1, you wind up with 7|238 by definition of divisibility since 238=7(34). So P(1) is true.

The next part is where it gets tricky - Assuming P(k) is true, that is, 7|(34k+1-52k-1, which is the inductive hypothesis. Then proving for P(k+1). What I have so far is...
7|7|(34(k+1)+1-52(k+1)-1
=34k+5-52k+1
=34 * 34k+1-51*52k
=34 * 34k+1-(3*52k+2*52k)
=34 * 34k+1-3*52k-2*52k
=.....

Now I don't know what to do! I know I have to get it to the point where I can use the inductive hypothesis, which is what I'm trying to do, but I've hit a wall, or taken a wrong turn when split the 5 into a two and a three. Any ideas?

Here's a short hint 3^4=81=56+25=56+5^2 and 56 is divisible by 7.
 
Ok yes I see that, but am having trouble using it. Are the steps that I have taken so far correct? Or have I done more than necessary. What I'm saying is, can I use this information about 3^4 from the step that I left off at?
 
Colleen G said:
Ok yes I see that, but am having trouble using it. Are the steps that I have taken so far correct? Or have I done more than necessary. What I'm saying is, can I use this information about 3^4 from the step that I left off at?

Convince yourself that ##P(k+1)=81*3^{4k+1}-25*5^{2k-1}##. Use that ##81=56+25##. See how you can express that in terms of ##P(k)##?
 
Colleen G said:

Homework Statement


Let P(n): 7|(34n+1-52n-1. Prove that P(n) is true for every natural number n.

Homework Equations


*I know that proving by induction requires a proving P(1) true, and then proving P(k+1) true.
*If a|b, then b=a*n, for some n∈ℤ

The Attempt at a Solution


I have proved the "base case" for P(1). Long story short, for n=1, you wind up with 7|238 by definition of divisibility since 238=7(34). So P(1) is true.

The next part is where it gets tricky - Assuming P(k) is true, that is, 7|(34k+1-52k-1, which is the inductive hypothesis. Then proving for P(k+1). What I have so far is...
7|7|(34(k+1)+1-52(k+1)-1
=34k+5-52k+1
=34 * 34k+1-51*52k
=34 * 34k+1-(3*52k+2*52k)
=34 * 34k+1-3*52k-2*52k
=.....

Now I don't know what to do! I know I have to get it to the point where I can use the inductive hypothesis, which is what I'm trying to do, but I've hit a wall, or taken a wrong turn when split the 5 into a two and a three. Any ideas?

This is badly written: the "equation" you wrote, namely
7|7|(3^{4(k+1)+1} - 5^{2(k+1)-1} \\<br /> = 3^{4k+5} - 5^{2k+1} \\<br /> \vdots<br />
does not even make sense.

To say it properly, here is a hint: letting ##F(n) = 3^{4n+1} - 5^{2n-1}##, prove that for positive integer ##k##, ##F(k) = 7j## for some positive integer ##j## implies ##F(k+1) = 7 m## for some positive integer ##m##.
 
Thank you for you help, Dick! I understand now.
 

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