Mathematical Proof of Elliptical Orbits

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The discussion focuses on the mathematical proof of elliptical orbits under gravitational influence, exploring both historical and modern perspectives, as well as the implications of Newtonian mechanics and general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Newton's work in the Principia, asserting that bodies under a 1/r² force will move in elliptical orbits.
  • Others provide links to external resources, such as Wikipedia, to illustrate the mathematical derivation of elliptical orbits.
  • One participant notes that any conic section is a solution to the differential equation of motion in an inverse square field, indicating that orbits can also be circular, hyperbolic, parabolic, or degenerate.
  • Another participant emphasizes that mathematical proofs rely on specific assumptions, particularly the validity of Newtonian mechanics and the nature of gravitational force.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that experimental measurements show planetary orbits are not perfectly elliptical, citing the perihelion shift of Mercury as a notable discrepancy explained by general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of orbits, with some supporting the elliptical model under Newtonian mechanics while others highlight discrepancies observed in experimental data, suggesting a lack of consensus on the completeness of the elliptical orbit model.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions of Newtonian mechanics and the potential influence of other celestial bodies on observed orbits, which may not conform strictly to elliptical shapes.

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How is it mathematically proven that gravitational orbits are elliptical?
 
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Newton showed in the Principia in 1687 that bodies orbiting under the influence of a 1/r^2 force will move in elliptical orbits. This Wikipedia page describes the argument, both Newton's derivation and a more modern derivation.
 
Note that in general any conic section is a solution to the differential equation of motion in an inverse square field. Thus "orbits? can be circular, elliptical, hyperbolic, parabolic, and even straight lines (a so-called "degenerate orbit" where the object just drops straight into the Sun).
 
While you have been given the answer to why orbits are elliptical in Newton's theory of gravitation, I think it is relevant to point out that you can only prove things mathematically under some assumptions - in this case that Newtonian mechanics hold and that the gravitational centripetal force is given by an attractive 1/r potential.

However, in physics there really is only one way of testing predictions and that is to make experimental measurements. As it turns out, planetary orbits (even correcting for the gravitational influence of other celestial bodies) are not elliptical (although very close to). The discrepancy between the prediction of Newton's theory and measurements, most apparent as the perihelion shift of Mercury, is accounted for in general relativity.
 
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