Mathematics descriptions of objects not found in the real world

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The discussion revolves around mathematical equations and concepts that describe patterns and objects not found in the physical world. Participants explore the nature of mathematics in relation to reality, including high-dimensional geometries and philosophical implications of mathematical abstraction.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Philosophical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that numbers and geometric figures like points and lines are not found in the real world, questioning the premise of the discussion.
  • High-dimensional geometric objects, such as spheres in 6000-dimensional Euclidean space, are mentioned as examples of mathematical constructs without current physical counterparts.
  • A participant expresses a philosophical view that mathematics describes possible worlds, contrasting it with physics, which studies the observable world.
  • Another participant notes the limitations of human perception, suggesting that mathematics might describe aspects of reality beyond current sensory capabilities.

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Participants exhibit a range of views, with some questioning the definition of the "real world" and others exploring the philosophical implications of mathematics. No consensus is reached regarding the nature of mathematical objects and their relation to reality.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of human perception and the evolving understanding of reality, indicating that the discussion may depend on subjective interpretations of what constitutes the "real world."

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What are some mathematical equations that described patterns and objects that you will not find in the real world, i.e. the physical tangible university. String theory doesn't count since mathematicians are waiting for a detector to be built that will observed the strings that are supposedly the fundamental entities of everything.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean. Numbers themselves are not "found in the real world". Geometric figures such as points, lines, triangles, and circles are not "found in the real world".
 
pentazoid said:
What are some mathematical equations that described patterns and objects that you will not find in the real world, i.e. the physical tangible university. String theory doesn't count since mathematicians are waiting for a detector to be built that will observed the strings that are supposedly the fundamental entities of everything.

Many high dimensional geometric objects do not currently correspond to physical things. Of course you never know for sure that science will not find some use for a mathematical object.

How about the sphere in 6000 dimensional Euclidean space? Currently is not associated with any physical theory.
 
pentazoid said:
What are some mathematical equations that described patterns and objects that you will not find in the real world, i.e. the physical tangible university. String theory doesn't count since mathematicians are waiting for a detector to be built that will observed the strings that are supposedly the fundamental entities of everything.

I heard that the physical tangible university (PTU )is even better than the electoral college!. :) (Sorry, Sunday night)

Anyway; this is more of a phylosophical question, I think (maybe you intended it that
way). A weird think about mathematics is that, unlike the case with many other areas,
it does not have a clearly-defined subject matter: Physics ( at least the "meat and
potatos" , not the theoretical) is the study of the physical world. Biology is the study of
life, etc.
But it is not clear what much of the subject area of math is about.
My personal opinion is that mathematics describes possible worlds, while everyday
physics describes the observable world, and theoretical physics is close in subject
matter to mathematics.

I hope this is the angle you were going for.
 
Just wanted to add a comment: we do not have full access to the whole
world out there: we can perceive images only within a certain wave-length,
same for sounds, etc. So there is a lot out there that seems (at least for
the moment) outside of our sensory reach. Note, e.g., the fact that dogs
have an olfactory sense that is many times more powerful than ours. Dogs
have access to a sensory portion of life that we have no access to at this
point. So the term 'real world' is maybe innacurate in this context.

Just note that this is a personal opinion here that I cannot rigorously support at this point:
Mathematics may be describing portions of the world we have no access to
at this point in our evolution. We live -- at least at this point -- in a very
remote, very small corner of the world of possible experiences.
 

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