Matter Alignment: Magnatism Effects on Salt Water Flow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential effects of magnetic fields on the flow of salt water, particularly whether such fields could align water molecules to reduce resistance and enhance flow. Participants explore concepts related to viscosity, molecular alignment, and the nature of water as a diamagnetic substance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a magnetic field could potentially align water molecules to facilitate easier movement through water, comparing it to sliding through a deck of cards.
  • Others argue that reducing the viscosity of water through magnetic means is unlikely, as water's molecular structure does not lend itself to alignment in the way suggested.
  • A participant suggests investigating laminar flow and the ejection of air bubbles as alternative methods to reduce resistance.
  • There is a discussion about the chaotic motion of water molecules, which complicates any attempts to align them using magnetic fields.
  • Some participants mention antiferromagnetism and its applicability to water, with a consensus that water is diamagnetic and does not exhibit antiferromagnetic properties.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of using magnetic fields to manipulate water flow, with some participants expressing skepticism about the effectiveness of such approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the effectiveness of using magnetic fields to influence water flow. While some explore the idea, others firmly state that it is unlikely to work due to the properties of water and the nature of magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that water's molecular behavior is complex and chaotic, which poses challenges to the proposed ideas. The discussion also highlights the distinction between magnetic and electrical properties of water molecules.

  • #31
Tinman said:
Yeah. That was my.point I.guess on some minimal scale can salt water be effected with antiferromagnatism if so could it be effected further .

No. Antiferromagnetism doesn't apply to water, it only applies to solid materials where molecules/magnetic grains can align in certain ways. Water is diamagnetic, not antiferromagnetic.
 
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  • #32
Fine a metal cow with a magnet infont of ia hahah.
Danger said:
Sorry, dude, but if you insist upon trying to take a magnetic approach to it, you're doomed to failure. It's like trying to make a cow run faster by painting her horns green.
 
  • #33
Tinman said:
Fine a metal cow with a magnet infont of ia hahah.
I think that you missed the point of my post. :rolleyes:
 
  • #34
Drakkith said:
No. Antiferromagnetism doesn't apply to water, it only applies to solid materials where molecules/magnetic grains can align in certain ways. Water is diamagnetic, not antiferromagnetic.
so its just push them out of the way and tahts it then.hmm seems like there be more tjere than that
 
  • #35
Tinman said:
so its just push them out of the way and tahts it then.hmm seems like there be more tjere than that

There are ways to reduce the friction on the object moving through the water, but other than that you pretty much out of luck.
 
  • #36
i knew that. its all some crazy theory if a gravity drivin device could ever happen. its just that train has always had me wondering the magnetic one.
 
  • #37
Tinman said:
its just that train has always had me wondering the magnetic one.
If you're referring to "mag-lev", it has absolutely nothing to do with what you are suggesting.
 
  • #38
Mag Lev it is . however i didnt place the two in the same category .But 28 years ago a picture of a magnetic train won me an art award befor maglev was made and was wonder woth all the brains in the world why they haven't gone further with the aplication of electromagnetic fields .dont atoms and some molecule for a fleeting moment give off a faint magnetic pulse/field regardles of its material
 
  • #39
Tinman said:
Mag Lev it is . however i didnt place the two in the same category .But 28 years ago a picture of a magnetic train won me an art award befor maglev was made and was wonder woth all the brains in the world why they haven't gone further with the aplication of electromagnetic fields

Because there are limitations to what we can do with these fields based on the laws of physics and the cost/complexity of the device.

.dont atoms and some molecule for a fleeting moment give off a faint magnetic pulse/field regardles of its material

Both atoms and molecules have a magnetic field associated with the intrinsic spin of their component particles and the orbital momentum of their electrons, but they don't emit "magnetic pulses".
 
  • #40
And you can't use its own field against itself what about the.first layer of water how its more idk how you say dence ? Or positivly charged and how some water molecules are memory shapes an advantage surely can be taken.there?
 
  • #41
Tinman, I'm afraid we're probably going to spend more time correcting your misunderstandings of physics that discussing the question. I highly suggest getting a good grasp on the basics of electromagnetism and chemistry. That in itself would probably answer many of your questions.
 
  • #42
Your defiantly rite but standard physics don't apply to.magnetic fields.do they or electricity didn't Tesla proof that and yes current limitation are what they are but my sugjesting to harness an atoms power other than tearing it apart isn't that bad really
 
  • #43
Tinman said:
my sugjesting to harness an atoms power other than tearing it apart isn't that bad really
Yes, it is.
 
  • #44
Danger said:
Yes, it is.
(Phys.org)—Researchers from the University of Leipzig have found that doping very small flakes of graphite with water, then allowing it to dry, results in a material that behaves very much like a superconductor. The team, led by Pablo Esquinazi have written a paper describing their process and results and have had it published in the peer review journalAdvanced Materials. If their findings prove sound, the discovery would almost certainly revolutionize the electronics industry.A superconductor is a material that conducts electricity without resistance, which means no loss of energy; researchers have been searching for such a material that operates atroom temperature (many materials aresuperconductors at very cold temperatures) for a number of years without success. Much of the recent research in this area has focused on carbon atom based substances such as graphene, nanotubes and graphite because of their unique lattice structures, but thus far, no one has been able to figure out a way to use any of them to produce a material that superconducts at room temperature.
 
  • #45
As with the mag-lev, your entire latest post has nothing to do with the original subject.
 
  • #46
Danger said:
As with the mag-lev, your entire latest post has nothing to do with the original subject.
Its all related you.just fail to see it. A simple experiment to.support my magnetic assistance.water shedding take a magnet smooth exterior and say 6/8 in thick set it in a basin of water slightly deeper than magnets thickness it'll show.you how water does.react.to magnets either on magnetic scale minimal or electrons.in the water.building up around it pushing itself away from it
 
  • #47
Danger said:
As with the mag-lev, your entire latest post has nothing to do with the original subject.
And yes it did you just fail to see it
 
  • #48
 

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