Matter & Photon Particle Comparison

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This discussion compares a 2.2 eV photon with a 2.2 eV electron, focusing on energy, rest mass, speed, wavelength, and momentum. The photon has no rest mass and travels at the speed of light (3 x 108 m/s), with a calculated momentum of 1.17 x 10-27 kgm/s and a wavelength of 5.66 x 10-7 m. The electron, with a rest mass of 9.11 x 10-31 kg, has a calculated speed of 8.79 x 105 m/s, a wavelength of 8.28 x 10-10 m, and a momentum of 8 x 10-25 kgm/s. Key equations used include P=E/C for photons and λ=h/mv for electrons.

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Homework Statement


Compare and contrast a 2.2 eV photonn with a 2.2 eV electron in terms of energy(J), rest mass (Kg) speed (m/s) wavelength (m) and momentum kgm/s.


Homework Equations



For Photon
P=E/C
F=E/h
V=fλ
λ= h/P

For Electron
λ=h/mv
m=E/C2
p=h/λ
Ke=1/2mv2

The Attempt at a Solution



Photon
2.2 ev X 1.6x10-19= 3.52 x10 -19 J

P=E/C
P= 3.52 x10 -19 / 3 x 108
P= 1.17 x10 -27

f= E/h
=3.52 x10 -19 /6.63x10-34
F=5.31x1014

v=fλ
v= 3x108 m/s

λ= h/P
=6.63X10-34/1.17X10-27
=5.66X10-7 m

m=? ( Does a photon have a rest mass?) I don't think a photon has a rest mass.

Electron

2.2 eV x1.6x10-19 = 3.52 x 10-19 J

Should rest mass be the standard 9.11 x10-31 kg

Or should I calculate using E=mc2

m= E/C2
m= 3.52 x 10-19 / (3x108)2
m=3.91 x10 -36 kg


( I use 9.11 x10-31 kg as the mass for the rest of the calculations but I can change it if its incorrect and the calculated mass should be used! )


Ek=1/2mv2
3.52 x 10-19=1/2 (9.11x10-31)v2
v= √[(3.52 x 10-19)(2)/9.11x10-31]
v=8.79x105 m/s ( Unsure whether I can use this equation to determine speed)

λ=h/mv
= 6.63x10-34/(9.11X10-31)(8.79X105)
=8.28X10-10 m

p= h/λ
=6.63x10-34/8.28X10-10
=8x10-25 kgm/s

Parts I have highlighted is where I am unsure! Thanks for all the help!

If I have misused any equations ( i.e used matter equations for light or vice versa can you please alert me! )
 
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HarleyM said:

The Attempt at a Solution



Photon
2.2 ev X 1.6x10-19= 3.52 x10 -19 J

Correct. I didn't check your numbers, but make sure you don't round off your physical constants and intermediate results too early so that you have adequate precision for your final answer.

P=E/C
P= 3.52 x10 -19 / 3 x 108
P= 1.17 x10 -27

Correct. You're missing the units though.

f= E/h
=3.52 x10 -19 /6.63x10-34
F=5.31x1014

Why bother? They didn't ask for the frequency.

v=fλ
v= 3x108 m/s

Just quote v = c (then the numerical value as you did).

λ= h/P
=6.63X10-34/1.17X10-27
=5.66X10-7 m

Correct. I didn't check your numerical computation, but make sure you don't have an error in your last few significant digits (because you rounded off the previous answer).

m=? ( Does a photon have a rest mass?) I don't think a photon has a rest mass.

You're right, photons have no rest mass. Answer is 0.

Electron

2.2 eV x1.6x10-19 = 3.52 x 10-19 J

Correct.

Should rest mass be the standard 9.11 x10-31 kg

Or should I calculate using E=mc2

No. Rest mass is just the standard constant. It doesn't change.

m= E/C2
m= 3.52 x 10-19 / (3x108)2
m=3.91 x10 -36 kg

Unnecessary. You are actually calculating the apparent gain in mass due to kinetic energy. Note that this is small relative to the rest mass (error of 4 parts per million or so).


( I use 9.11 x10-31 kg as the mass for the rest of the calculations but I can change it if its incorrect and the calculated mass should be used! )

No, use the rest mass.

Ek=1/2mv2
3.52 x 10-19=1/2 (9.11x10-31)v2
v= √[(3.52 x 10-19)(2)/9.11x10-31]
v=8.79x105 m/s ( Unsure whether I can use this equation to determine speed)

You can, since the electron is clearly traveling at speeds significantly less than c. So relativistic effects don't matter. I didn't check your computation, but the principle is right.

λ=h/mv
= 6.63x10-34/(9.11X10-31)(8.79X105)
=8.28X10-10 m

Looks right.

p= h/λ
=6.63x10-34/8.28X10-10
=8x10-25 kgm/s

You can just do p = mv, which you calculated as the denominator in the previous part.
 
Wow very concise answer, thank you very much

WOOO i get physics, its a great feeling
 

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