Maximizing Multilingualism: Solving Venn Diagram Problems in High School

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a Venn diagram problem involving foreign language students in a high school setting. Participants explore how to determine the number of students taking all three languages: Spanish, French, and German, based on given student counts and overlaps.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem with specific numbers of students taking each language and those taking multiple languages.
  • Another participant suggests a method for visualizing the problem using a Venn diagram and proposes variables for different overlaps.
  • A later reply claims that the calculations lead to an impossible result (d = -4), suggesting a potential error in the provided numbers or assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are conflicting views regarding the correctness of the numbers and the resulting calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the provided data, including the lack of specific counts for students taking exactly two languages and the implications of negative results in the calculations.

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There are a total of 103 foreign language students in a high school where they offer Spanish,
French, and German. There are 29 students who take at least 2 languages at once. If there
are 40 Spanish students, 42 French students, and 46 German students, how many students
take all three languages at once?
 
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Draw three overlapping circles and label them "F" (for "French"), "G" (for "German"), and "S" (for "Spanish").

You are told "There are 29 students who take at least 2 languages at once." So the total number of students who would fit into the overlaps of those circles is 29. You are not told how many take, say, "French and German but not Spanish" or "all three languages" so enter "a" where "S" and only "F" overlap, "b" where only "G" and "F" overlap, "c" where only "S" and "G" overlap, and "d" where all three circles overlap. We must have a+ b+ c+ d= 29.

You are told that "there are 40 Spanish students" but that includes the "a" students who take Spanish and French, the "c" students who take Spanish and German, and the "d" students who take all three language. There are 40- a- c- d students who take Spanish only.

Similarly, you are told that there are "42 French students" so there are 42- a- b- d students who take French only.

And you are told that there are "46 German students" so there are 46- b- c- d students who take German only.

So in the 7 areas where those three circles overlap, we have "40- a- c- d", "42- a- b- d", "45- b- c- d", "a", "b", "c", and "d" where, now, each student is counted only once. Add those together and set it equal to 103 since we are told that is the number of foreign language students.

You are asked, "how many students take all three languages at once?". That is what we called "d". Are you able to find "d"?
 
I do understand the concept but it'll be easy for me to visualize it. Can you insert an image of the venn diagram? Thank you for the help ;)
 
All of Country Boys's expressions for the seven regions are correct. If you add them up and set them equal to 103, you get that d = -4. I think there is something wrong with the numbers you gave.
 

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