Maximum Compression of a Spring in a Collision?

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The problem involves an object with mass m attached to a spring with spring constant k, moving towards a wall with velocity v. Upon colliding perfectly inelastically with the wall, the question seeks to determine the maximum compression of the spring.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply Newton's laws and conservation principles but feels stuck, particularly regarding the impulse experienced during the collision. Some participants suggest considering conservation of energy as a potential approach, questioning the assumptions about energy conversion in a perfectly inelastic collision.

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Participants are exploring different perspectives on the problem, with some suggesting that energy conservation could be applicable in this scenario. There is no explicit consensus yet, but a productive direction is emerging around the relationship between kinetic and potential energy.

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There is a discussion about the implications of a perfectly inelastic collision and how it affects the conservation of energy in this context. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the applicability of various physical laws.

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Homework Statement


An object with mass m is being held on a spring in equilibrium position with spring constant k. This system(both the object and the spring) is moving in one direction with a velocity v. The system then collides perfectly inelastically with a wall. What is the maximum compression of the spring?

Homework Equations


F=-kx
Conservation of Momentum(?)
Newton's Third Law of Motion

The Attempt at a Solution


By Newton's Third Law, the force the wall exerts on the system is equivalent in magnitude to the force the system pushes on the wall. However, the force appears incalculable. Newton's Second Law cannot really be used here because it concerns net force on an object. Therefore, it appears that the only way out is to calculate the impulse the object is experiencing and then to take the time derivative of that impulse. This does not seem to accomplish anything either, since the impulse is mv, and when one takes the time derivative of that, it comes out to be ma, which doesn't help my cause one bit. I feel at an impasse with this problem. Help would be much appreciated.
 
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Perhaps we can use some physical intuition to find a relevant equation.

Perfectly inelastic generally means the two objects "stick" together and for most situations means that you can't rely on conservation of energy. However, in this case you could argue that the energy is completely converted into potential energy of the spring and hence we could try using conservation of energy.

With this tool at your hands, the solution is simple.
 
Coto said:
Perhaps we can use some physical intuition to find a relevant equation.

Perfectly inelastic generally means the two objects "stick" together and for most situations means that you can't rely on conservation of energy. However, in this case you could argue that the energy is completely converted into potential energy of the spring and hence we could try using conservation of energy.

With this tool at your hands, the solution is simple.

Ah! I never thought of it that way. So what you're saying is that mv²=kx² since the 1/2's cancel.
 
Correct. All you need to do is isolate for x then.
 

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