Maximum speed on conservative forces problem

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The problem involves a girl swinging on a playground swing, with specific heights given for her highest and lowest points. The context is centered around the principles of conservative forces and energy conservation, specifically relating to maximum speed calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of initial and final heights in energy conservation equations, questioning whether the initial velocity should be considered zero. There is exploration of the energy conservation formula and its application to the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the energy conservation approach. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions regarding initial conditions and the interpretation of height values. Some participants express progress in their understanding, while others continue to seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the absence of air resistance, indicating that the forces involved are considered conservative. Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the setup of the problem and the application of energy principles.

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1. A girl swings on a playground swing in such a way that at her highest point she is 3 m from the ground, while at her lowest point she is 0.5m from the ground. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8m/s^2. What is her maximum speed? Answer in units of m/s.


2. 1/2mVf^2 + mgyf = 1/2mVi^2 + mgyi


I made initial velocity to equal zero.
3. [Vf= (mghi - mghf)/ (1/2m)]^(1/2)

When I do this... I endup square rooting a negative number. What am I doing wrong?
 
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What do you use for initial and final height?

Is the velocity actually zero at the initial height?
 
I'm using .5 as her initial height and 3 as her final height. Is that my problem? And velocity... I just assumed... that may be wrong. (Thanks for the quick reply by the way!)
 
OOh I got it! I did this:

v=[2(gVi-gVf)]^(1/2)

You sparked my thinking. Thank you.
 
The problem mentions nothing about air resistance so we can assume that our forces our conservative. This meas that the sum of your forces at position 1 (her highest point) is equal to the sum of the forces at position 2 (her lowest point).

KE1 + PE1 = KE2 + PE2

You can elimitate your KE1 because at her highest point the girls velocity is 0.

This leaves us with PE1 = KE2 + PE2 We expand this formula to:

mgh1 = (1/2)m[v(squared)] + mgh2

this can be simplified by canceling out all of your masses.

gh1 = (1/2)[v(squared)] + gh2

Now just plug in your values and solve for your velocity.

Edit: Nevermind, you beat me to it.
 
Oh thank you for going ahead and writting up the solution.
 

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