Maximum Speed to Avoid Barrier with Delayed Braking

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The problem involves a car approaching a barrier 40 meters away, with a delay in braking of 0.75 seconds and a braking acceleration of -10.0 m/s². The objective is to determine the maximum speed at which the car can travel without colliding with the barrier.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of kinematic equations and the impact of the braking delay on the distance calculation. There are attempts to set up the problem symbolically and isolate the initial velocity, with some expressing confusion about unit consistency and algebraic manipulation.

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Some participants have made progress in setting up the equations but express uncertainty about isolating the initial velocity and the validity of their algebraic steps. There is recognition that the expression formed is not a quadratic equation, and suggestions to work with symbolic variables have been made.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of combining the effects of a delayed braking response with the kinematic equations, while also addressing unit discrepancies in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A driver of a car suddenly sees the lights of a barrier 40m ahead. It takes the driver 0.75s before he applies the brakes, and the average acceleration during braking is -10.0m/s^2

What is the maximum speed at which the car could be moving and not hit the barrier 40.0m ahead?

Homework Equations


Vfinal^2 = Vinitial^2 + 2aΔx

The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to apply the following equation above, but of course due to braking delay of 0.75s the delta x would be different. I have no idea how to apply the two together so I can truly figure out the delta x between the time of braking to figure out what the initial velocity could be given the acceleration to reach a final velocity of 0.

I know somehow that 40m - Vinitial(0.75s) would be the delta x to plug into the above equation.
 
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You do have to do a little bit of algebra here to find Vinitial. Have you set up the problem symbolically? Remember, if you have an expression for what Δx represents, go ahead and subtitute that into the equation and solve for Vinitial.
 
I've gotten as far as setting it up to solve for Vinitial, but at this point I am stumped on actually being able to solve the equation.

0 = Vinitial^2 + 2(-10m/s^2)(40m - 0.75sVi)

I don't know how to isolate Vinitial by itself, and the units are also quite confusing.
 
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0 = Vinitial + 15 m/s - 800m^2/s^2

I believe all I do now is quadratic equation and then solve for Vi that way?
 
CyberSyringe said:
0 = Vinitial + 15 m/s - 800m^2/s^2

I believe all I do now is quadratic equation and then solve for Vi that way?

The only problem is, the expression above is not a quadratic equation. The units are not the same as those for velocity in each quantity in the equation. (You can't add m/s and m^2/s^2 and hope to get a meaningful result.)

CyberSyringe said:
I've gotten as far as setting it up to solve for Vinitial, but at this point I am stumped on actually being able to solve the equation.

0 = Vinitial^2 + 2(-10m/s^2)(40m - 0.75sVi)

I don't know how to isolate Vinitial by itself, and the units are also quite confusing.

It is better to work the algebra using symbolic variables only, omitting the units. When the algebra gives you an expression for Vinitial, then you can substitute the known values of the other variables and calculate the value of Vinitial which satisfies the equation.
 
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