Shaun Culver
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Can Maxwell's equations (the usual 4 equations) be summarized in the form of one equation?
The discussion revolves around the possibility of summarizing Maxwell's equations into a single equation, exploring their historical context, and examining their invariance across different frames of reference. Participants delve into the implications of these equations in classical electromagnetism, the evolution of understanding regarding coordinate systems, and the relationship between Maxwell's original formulations and modern interpretations.
Participants express differing views on the invariance of Maxwell's equations across frames of reference, with some asserting that contradictions arose historically while others emphasize that the equations themselves did not change. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these historical interpretations.
Participants note that the historical application of Maxwell's equations involved assumptions about inertial frames that have since been refined. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying these equations in various contexts and the evolution of scientific understanding over time.
kurt.physics said:Is not that the relativistic maxwell equation? Hey, there should be a mock up t-shirt for that
I'll try to answer this. Part of the problem in giving the full answer is giving proper historical context... I will do my best in a summary.patfla said:Was it (is it) the case that Maxwell's original equations were not spacetime (or frame-of-reference) invariant?
That is, two different frames of reference with the same observable and Maxwell's original equations would yield different results.
And while I don't recognize *d*F(A) = J, it's my understanding that maybe the original purpose of the Lorentz transform was to fix this problem?
Hmm... just to be clear, Maxwell's equations today are the same as Maxwell's "original" equations (although we have found more convenient ways of writing them, for example the equations usually seen in undergrad textbooks are how Heavyside rewrote them with vector notation).patfla said:Yes that is: if one is trying the apply Maxwell's original equations from different coordinate systems. I.e. you would get different results (on the same observable). I would assume that at that time, the 'fundamental' inertial frame was space (or the aether) while the moving frame-of-reference (with a different coordinate system) was the Earth.
Oh yes, there was all kinds of confusion. Check out the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble experiment, Trouton-Rankine experiment, just to name a few. What is interesting to point out is that the last experiment listed there was after Einstein's special relativity paper. It took quite awhile for people to adjust to these new ideas.patfla said:Did contradictions actually arise (I assume they must have)?
Hmm... just to be clear, Maxwell's equations today are the same as Maxwell's "original" equations (although we have found more convenient ways of writing them, for example the equations usually seen in undergrad textbooks are how Heavyside rewrote them with vector notation).
f-h said:Actually F(A) is a two-form...
roughly: the hodge star turns an n-form into a 4-n form. So we start with a 1-form A take the exterior derivative: dA (2-form) -> *dA (2-form) -> d*dA (3-form) -> *d*dA (1-form)
the hodge star is defined such that w wedge *v = <w,v> vol where <w,v> is a sort of inner product turning the n-forms into a function and vol is the volume form of the metric. Since the volume form is an m-form in m-dimensional spacetimes in you can see that the hodge star needs to turn the n-form v into an (m-n)-form *v such that w wedge *v can be the volume m-form.
shaunculver said:Can Maxwell's equations (the usual 4 equations) be summarized in the form of one equation?