Maxwell’s equations for oscillating electric dipole

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The discussion centers on the applicability of Maxwell's equations to the electric and magnetic fields generated by an oscillating electric dipole. Participants explore the mathematical forms of the fields and their compliance with Maxwell's equations, particularly in the context of approximations and the behavior at large distances.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to demonstrate that the derived E- and B-fields do not satisfy Maxwell's equations, noting that the divergence of B and Faraday's law appear to be satisfied.
  • Another participant asserts that the fields presented are approximations valid only at large distances and that the fields of an electric dipole include 1/r² and 1/r³ terms.
  • A participant challenges the idea that Maxwell's first and fourth equations reduce to specific forms in this context, suggesting that the presence of certain terms indicates a deviation from a pure dipole model.
  • Further contributions clarify that the fields of a point dipole indeed contain additional terms and that the divergence of the electric field should evaluate to zero, except at the origin where there are sources.
  • One participant emphasizes that the field of a non-oscillating dipole does not contain a 1/r² term, suggesting a distinction in behavior between oscillating and static dipoles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the fields derived from the oscillating dipole and their compliance with Maxwell's equations. There is no consensus on whether the equations are satisfied, and multiple competing perspectives on the nature of the fields are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves approximations and the behavior of fields at large distances, which may influence the applicability of Maxwell's equations. The presence of additional terms and the nature of sources at the origin are also highlighted as relevant factors.

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How do I show that our equations for the E- and B-fields for the oscillating electric dipole do NOT satisfy Maxwell’s equations?

After approximations in retarded potentials, we have our E- and B-field as following:

E = -ω2μ_{0}p_{0}(4∏r)-1sin(θ)cos[ω(t-\frac{r}{c})]\hat{θ} (Griffiths 11.18)

and

B = -ω2μ_{0}p_{0}(4∏cr)-1sin(θ)cos[ω(t-\frac{r}{c})]\hat{\phi} (Griffiths 11.19)

Where ω is angular frequency for the oscillating charge moving back and forth, c is the speed of light, r is the distance where E and B are to be calculated, θ is the angle between dipole axis and the distance r, p_{0} is the maximum value of dipole moment, μ_{0} is permeability of free space, t is time, \hat{\phi} is direction in azimuthal angle, and \hat{θ} is direction in polar angle.

I got divergence of B is satisfied (2nd eq. of Maxwell's), also, I got faradays law satisfied (3rd eq. with curl of E).

I am stuck in the other two equations:

For Gauss's law (1st eq.) I got div. of E does not equal zero, but maybe that because of the charge density. So, I am not sure whether this equation is satisfied or not, and I do not know how to show that.

Also, the same argument For Curl of B. I got the same result for time derivative of E in addition to an extra component in \hat{r} direction which may be the volume current density term in 4th Maxwell's equation (Ampere's and Maxwell's law).
 
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Hey, one reason these don't satisfy Maxwell's Equations is because they are not the correct fields. They are only approximations, valid at large distances. The field of an electric dipole, oscillating or not, contains 1/r2 and 1/r3 terms.
 
Bill_K said:
Hey, one reason these don't satisfy Maxwell's Equations is because they are not the correct fields. They are only approximations, valid at large distances. The field of an electric dipole, oscillating or not, contains 1/r2 and 1/r3 terms.

So, does Maxwell's 1st and 4th equations reduces to \nabla.E = 0 and \nabla×B = ε_{0}μ_{0}\frac{\partial}{\partial t}E in this case?
 
Bill_K said:
The field of an electric dipole, oscillating or not, contains 1/r2 and 1/r3 terms.
I wouldn't say so. If it contains such terms, it is not a pure dipole. Think of a sphere whose surface charge varies like cos theta.
However, even the field of a point dipole contains an additional delta function contribution at r=0, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole
 
DrDu said:
I wouldn't say so. If it contains such terms, it is not a pure dipole. Think of a sphere whose surface charge varies like cos theta.
However, even the field of a point dipole contains an additional delta function contribution at r=0, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipole

If you calculate the fields for a point-source electric dipole you do get 1/r, 1/r^2 and 1/r^3 terms. Specifically, the fields in cylindrical coordinates for a VED become,

E_\rho = \cos \theta \sin \theta \left( \frac{3}{r^2} - \frac{i3k}{r} - k^2 \right) \frac{e^{ikr}}{r}
E_z= \left[ k^2\sin^2\theta - \frac{1}{r^2} + \frac{ik}{r} + \cos^2\theta \left( \frac{3}{r^2} - \frac{i3k}{r} \right) \right] \frac{e^{ikr}}{r}

So the \theta component in spherical coordinates becomes

E_\theta = \cos\theta E_\rho - \sin \theta E_z = \sin \theta \left( -k^2 - \frac{ik}{r} + \frac{1}{r^2} \right) \frac{e^{ikr}}{r}

where k is the wavenumber and we assume an e^{-i\omega t} time dependence. These are derived via Maxwell's Equations. So the first-order term of the E_\theta component still lines up with what the OP was given by Griffiths. The k^2 coefficient gives us the \omega^2 and taking the real part would give use the cosine component.

But in terms of the OP's question, the divergence of the electric field should evaluate to zero. Technically, there are sources at the origin, but since this is an oscillating dipole then the source is not a charge (hence why the divergence of the electric field is zero) but a current. So, everywhere but the origin you should find:

\nabla\cdot \mathbf{E} = 0
\nabla \times \mathbf{B} = \mu_0\epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E} }{\partial t}
 
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You are obviously right. I only wanted to say that the field of a non oscillating dipole does not contain a 1/r2 term.
 

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