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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0601180052jan18,1,1331355.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
This makes me wonder. Is this guy losing it or what?
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Mayor C. Ray Nagin apologized Tuesday
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The discussion centers around Mayor C. Ray Nagin's recent apology for comments made during a Martin Luther King Day speech, where he referred to New Orleans as a "chocolate" city and suggested that "God was mad at America." Participants explore various interpretations of his statements and his leadership during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants question Nagin's mental state, pondering whether he is "losing it" or simply stressed.
- There is a suggestion that Nagin's comments may indicate underlying racism, with some participants explicitly labeling him as such.
- A participant critiques Nagin's attempt to clarify his comments about chocolate, finding it unconvincing.
- Another participant reflects on Nagin's performance during Hurricane Katrina, expressing disappointment in his leadership and questioning his competence.
- Some draw parallels between Nagin and other controversial figures, such as Pat Robertson, suggesting a broader context of political absurdity.
- One participant defends Nagin, arguing that he faced unprecedented challenges and that his reactions were human responses to a crisis.
- There is a mention of Ann Coulter's controversial statements, which some participants believe overshadow Nagin's issues.
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Participants express a range of opinions about Nagin's character and leadership, with no clear consensus on whether he is merely stressed, racist, or inept. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of his comments and actions.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference historical events and previous discussions about Nagin's leadership during Hurricane Katrina, indicating a complex backdrop of public perception and political discourse.
This makes me wonder. Is this guy losing it or what?
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We had the 'is he crazy or just stressed?' conversation a number of times during and immediately after the Katrina crisis. The consensus at the time (I was in the minority) was that he was just stressed. He's making his position on the issue much clearer now...
Actually, now the question becomes: is he a racist and crazy, just crazy, or just a racist?
Actually, now the question becomes: is he a racist and crazy, just crazy, or just a racist?
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I heard his rather lame attempt at covering his butt on this.
Paraphrased "When you make chocolate you take dark chocolate, mix it with some WHITE cream, and then you have a delicious drink. See?"
Uh huh...
Paraphrased "When you make chocolate you take dark chocolate, mix it with some WHITE cream, and then you have a delicious drink. See?"
Uh huh...
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Whatever the reason, he's an apallingly pathetic mayor. I don't know if I thought he was crazy or stressed, I wasn't really thinking about the reason he was falling apart during Katrina, just that he was cowering and crying rather than leading.russ_watters said:
Is he racist? I think so. Is he crazy on top of that? I don't know. He's definitely inept at the least.
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Sounds like Pat Robertson to me.
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Boy, it would be entertaining to lock the two of them in a room together for a while... 
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Give the guy a break: he's mayor; he does what every mayor of NO (or any other community) before him has done, sit on his butt; he gets the word a Cat 5 is headed his way; he knows he's behind Cat 4 levees; he doesn't know they were barely built to Cat 3 specs; he knows it's time to run; he knows the only evacuation plans in place to implement are 50 years out of date; he does the human thing, nothing, and hopes it turns into another weather service false alarm; he got his butt bitten just as badly as a butt can be bitten, and no worse than anyone else in his position would have been bitten.
He's expecting process servers, warrants, subpoenas, "the wrath of God," and who knows what else to land on him any day, and the suspense is driving him just a little bit off center.
He's expecting process servers, warrants, subpoenas, "the wrath of God," and who knows what else to land on him any day, and the suspense is driving him just a little bit off center.
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Relief for Nagin, at last. Ann Coulter opened her mouth and claimed the crown as America's Stupidest Person.
Pat Robertson needs to kick it in gear if he's going to keep up. Calling for someone to murder a US Supreme Court Justice tops calling for someone to murder a foreign leader.
Has politics finally reached the level of "Gilligan's Island"?
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Pat Robertson needs to kick it in gear if he's going to keep up. Calling for someone to murder a US Supreme Court Justice tops calling for someone to murder a foreign leader.
Has politics finally reached the level of "Gilligan's Island"?