Mean value theorem, closed intervals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Mean Value Theorem, specifically the implications of the interval in which the point ##c## is located. Participants explore whether ##c## should be stated as being in the closed interval ##[a,b]## instead of the open interval ##(a,b)##, considering examples and the conditions of differentiability.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it would be better to state that ##c## is in ##[a,b]##, citing an example where the function is constant and differentiable at the endpoints.
  • Another participant asserts that if ##c## is in ##(a,b)##, it is also in ##[a,b]##, but emphasizes that the function might not be differentiable at the endpoints ##a## or ##b##.
  • A third participant suggests that the theorem's requirement for ##c## to be in ##(a,b)## is a stronger result.
  • One participant reiterates the point about differentiability, emphasizing that ##f## is differentiable on ##(a,b)##, not on the closed interval ##[a,b]##.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the location of ##c## in relation to the closed and open intervals, indicating that there is no consensus on whether ##c## should be included in ##[a,b]##.

Contextual Notes

Unresolved issues include the implications of differentiability at the endpoints and the strength of the theorem's statement regarding the interval for ##c##.

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Mean Value Theorem

Suppose that ##f## is a function that is continuous on ##[a,b]## and differentiable on ##(a,b)##. Then there is at least one ##c## in ##(a,b)## such that:
$$f'(c) = \frac{f(b) - f(a)}{b - a}$$

My question is: wouldn't it be better to state that ##c## is in ##[a,b]## rather than ##(a,b)##? For example, if ##f(x) = 2## for ##1 \leq x \leq 3##, then:
$$f'(x) = 0 = \frac{f(3) - f(1)}{2}$$
For all ##x##, including 3, which is one of the endpoints of the interval.
 
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If ##c## is in ##(a,b)##, then ##c## is in ##[a,b]##. Besides, ##f## might not be differentiable at ##a## or ##b##.
 
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Because the theorem is a stronger result.
 
micromass said:
If ##c## is in ##(a,b)##, then ##c## is in ##[a,b]##. Besides, ##f## might not be differentiable at ##a## or ##b##.
micromass said:
If ##c## is in ##(a,b)##, then ##c## is in ##[a,b]##. Besides, ##f## might not be differentiable at ##a## or ##b##.

Yeah, I think that's it. ##f## is differentiable on ##(a,b)##, not ##[a,b]##.
 

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