Meaning of linearly dependent equations

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear dependence in a system of equations, specifically examining the equations ##y=-2x+1##, ##y=x+1##, and ##y=2x+1##. Participants explore the implications of linear dependence in two-dimensional space, the interpretation of linear independence, and methods for determining linear dependency.

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  • Some participants assert that in two dimensions, there can be at most two linearly independent equations, implying that with three equations, at least one must be dependent on the others.
  • One participant suggests viewing the equations as functions and provides a specific linear combination to demonstrate their dependence.
  • Another participant raises a technicality regarding the definition of linear independence, arguing that constant terms should be included when considering equations as vectors.
  • Several participants discuss methods for determining linear dependency, including scaling equations and using augmented matrices for row reduction.
  • There is mention of a common mistake in the approach to finding dependencies, with one participant expressing a newfound understanding after receiving clarification.

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Participants generally agree on the notion that there can be at most two linearly independent equations in two dimensions, but there is some disagreement regarding the interpretation of linear independence and the role of constant terms in equations. The discussion remains unresolved on the precise definitions and methods for determining linear dependency.

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Some participants note that the definitions and interpretations of linear independence may vary, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the inclusion of constant terms in the analysis of equations.

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How the system of equations

##y=-2x+1##
##y=x+1##
##y=2x+1##

are linearly dependent. In wiki its written for the above system of equations "one equation linearly dependent on the others"

Overdetermined_system_one_equation_linearly_dep.jpg
 
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22990atinesh said:
How the system of equations

##y=-2x+1##
##y=x+1##
##y=2x+1##

are linearly dependent. In wiki its written for the above system of equations "one equation linearly dependent on the others"

Overdetermined_system_one_equation_linearly_dep.jpg
In two dimensions (the plane), there can be at most two linear equations that are linearly independent. Since you have three linear equations, anyone of them can be written as a combination of the others.

It might be easier to think of the equations as a set of three functions: {-2x + 1, x + 1, 2x + 1}.
In this case, I found that -2x + 1 = 4(x + 1) - 3(2x + 1). This is enough to show that the three functions are linearly dependent.
 
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Mark44 said:
In two dimensions (the plane), there can be at most two linear equations that are linearly independent.

There are at most two vectors in a linearly independent set of two dimensional vectors. But I think we are getting into a technicality about the meaning of "linear independence" of a set of equations . With the equations, I think you must count the constant terms when translating the equations to vectors. For example, I think the equations x + y = 1 and x + y = 2 are considered linearly independent. The definition in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_linear_equations isn't precise, but it implies the interpretation that the constants must be considered because to show dependence you must produce one equation by "algebraic operations" on the others. So the whole equation must be produced, not just the coefficients.
 
Mark44 said:
It might be easier to think of the equations as a set of three functions: {-2x + 1, x + 1, 2x + 1}.
In this case, I found that -2x + 1 = 4(x + 1) - 3(2x + 1). This is enough to show that the three functions are linearly dependent.

Thanx Mark44, Now I know what mistake I was doing. I always tried to scale one equation and subtract it from other, It always served my purpose.
 
Mark44 said:
In two dimensions (the plane), there can be at most two linear equations that are linearly independent. Since you have three linear equations, anyone of them can be written as a combination of the others.

It might be easier to think of the equations as a set of three functions: {-2x + 1, x + 1, 2x + 1}.
In this case, I found that -2x + 1 = 4(x + 1) - 3(2x + 1). This is enough to show that the three functions are linearly dependent.
Hello Mark44 is there any shortcut to find linear dependency among system of linear equations. Scaling one equation then adding/subtracting to other is easy. But when we have to scale both equations and then perform addition/subtraction, It requires little bit of time.
 
22990atinesh said:
Hello Mark44 is there any shortcut to find linear dependency among system of linear equations. Scaling one equation then adding/subtracting to other is easy. But when we have to scale both equations and then perform addition/subtraction, It requires little bit of time.
You can write a system of equations as an augmented matrix, and then row-reduce the matrix. What you end up with will tell you whether the equations have no solution, exactly one solution, or an infinite number of solutions. If you are taking a class on linear algebra, you will probably see this soon.
 

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