Meaning of y = c if f(x) = cg(x)

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the equations y = sin(x) and y = cx, specifically exploring the conditions under which y = c is tangent to the graph of y = sin(x) at certain points. The participants are examining the implications of the equation sin(x) = cx and its transformation into the form sin(x)/x = c.

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  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind the tangency of y = c to the graph of y = sin(x) and its connection to the equation sin(x)/x = c. There is a focus on understanding the graphical interpretation of these equations and the implications of intersection points.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion about the relationship between the graphs and the conditions for tangency. Some guidance has been offered regarding the graphical approach to finding intersections, but clarity on the underlying concepts is still being sought.

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There is a mention of specific points of interest, such as the "second hump" of the sine function, and the implications of the number of intersections based on the tangency condition. Participants are also grappling with the mathematical transformations involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



Hi. I post part A too but I'm having trouble only with Part B.

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Homework Equations



I know...

y = sin x and y = cx intersects when ...

sin x = cx so \frac{sin x}{x} = c

The Attempt at a Solution



I just don't understand why \frac{sin x}{x} = c
means that y = c has to be tangent to
y = \frac{sin x}{x} at the second hump?

I'm not seeing the connection...

Thank you.
 
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seniorhs9 said:
...
I know...

y = \sin x and y = cx intersects when ...

\sin x = cx so \displaystyle \frac{\sin x}{x} = c

The Attempt at a Solution



I just don't understand why \displaystyle \frac{\sin x}{x} = c
means that y = c has to be tangent to
\displaystyle y = \frac{\sin x}{x} at the second hump?

I'm not seeing the connection...

Thank you.
Look at the second graph. If y = c x is not tangent to the graph of y = sin(x) "near the second hump", then the graph of y = c x will intersect the graph of y = sin(x) in either 7 places, or in 3 places.
 
Hi SammyS. Thanks for your answer.

But I don't understand your answer either

"If y = cx is not tangent to the graph of y = sin(x) "near the second hump", then the graph of y = cx will intersect the graph of y = sin(x) in either 7 places, or in 3 places "

Generally, I have trouble relating intersection of y = sin x and y = cx to graph of y = \frac{sin x}{x} and y = c. But I understand sin x = cx means \frac{sin x}{x} = c.
 
To solve y = c x , and y = sin(x) simultaneously, you have:

c x = sin(x) .

That's equivalent to \displaystyle c=\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\,.

One way to solve this equation is graphically, i.e., where does the graph of y = c intercept the graph of \displaystyle y=\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\,? I think the question to be asking is, "Should these two graphs be tangent at the point of intersection?"

If y = c is tangent to \displaystyle y=\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\, near \displaystyle x=\frac{5\pi}{2}\,, then it must be true that on either side of the point of tangency, \displaystyle c>\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\,. It can be shown that this inequality holds.

Therefore, the slope of \displaystyle y=\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\, is zero at the same value of x at which the the graph of y = c x is tangent to the graph of \displaystyle y=\sin(x)\, near the second hump. Use this value of x to solve for c.
 
Hi SammyS. Thanks.
 

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