Undergrad Measurement for uncertainty in nonlinear model

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The discussion centers on measuring uncertainty in nonlinear models, specifically focusing on the propagation of uncertainty and regression error handling. The user seeks guidance on calculating the variance of a function value using the Jacobian matrix and the covariance matrix from curve fitting. Key formulas referenced include the propagation of uncertainty for addition and division, as well as the use of the Marquardt algorithm for least squares estimation of nonlinear parameters. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the correlation of uncertainties in detector signals.

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I would like to find a measurement for uncertainty in a calculation I have. So, the uncertainties I have, or at least as far as I understand.

  1. uncertainty of sampled data that is used to optimized parameters of the model.
  2. uncertainty in the curve fit procedure
Is there some fairly accessible (I mean cognitive) information about how I should approach this? I remember doing this kind of calculations back when I was studying, but it was a loooong time ago. If anyone could point me in the right direction..?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hm. i might have been vague in my post, sry... We could use the growth model example, but I fear it might be to complicated, for me... I have four detector signals Sxx where my output = (Saa - Sab)(Sba - Sbb). The detector is the same so all signals have the same uncertainty. If understand this I should be able to use the Example formulae table, line 3 and 7, in the first link you to get an expression for the variation/standard deviation of my out signal.
 
I think i understand the subject well enough to implement it in code (which I usually do when I thinker). One question though. To calculate the variance of the function value I take the Jacobian J of the function and the Covariance matrix C of the curve fit and multiply as such v = J C J T. Which I then use to calculate my confidence intervals, ci = Z sqrt(v). Is this correct..? And if someone would take a stab at explaining the vector matrix multiplication... 🤔
 
liquidFuzz said:
Hm. i might have been vague in my post, sry...
Treading carefully is wise... :wink:

liquidFuzz said:
We could use the growth model example, but I fear it might be to complicated, for me...
If not the growth model, then what model are you using (*) ?
(The guys here use
Marquardt, D.W. 1963. An algorithm for least squares estimation of nonlinear parameters. Journal of the Society of Industrial Applied Mathematics 2:431–441.​
to determine coefficients in a model, but their data (in table 2) are only in the second part of the curve; very unsatisfactory... )


liquidFuzz said:
I have four detector signals Sxx where my output = (Saa - Sab)(Sba - Sbb). The detector is the same so all signals have the same uncertainty. If understand this I should be able to use the Example formulae table, line 3 and 7, in the first link you to get an expression for the variation/standard deviation of my out signal.
What are ##S_{aa}## etc ? Voltmeter readings, Scintillator counts, ... ? Are you sure their uncertainties are completely uncorrelated ?

Line 3 being ##f = A - B \Rightarrow \sigma_f^2 = \sigma_A^2 + \sigma_B^2 + \sigma_{AB}^2 ## ?
Line 7 being ##f = \frac A B## makes me wonder if you mean output = (Saa - Sab)/(Sba - Sbb) instead of (Saa - Sab)(Sba - Sbb) ?

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(*) is 'output' a simple number or a formula with several coefficients you try to find ?

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