Measuring Neutrino Mass from a Supernova

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The discussion revolves around measuring the mass of neutrinos emitted from a supernova, with a focus on the energy range of the neutrinos (10 MeV to 50 MeV) and their travel time to Earth (approximately 10 seconds). Participants are exploring the implications of relativistic effects on the calculations of neutrino mass based on their speed and energy.

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  • Participants are discussing various methods to calculate neutrino mass using relativistic equations. There are attempts to apply unit conversions and Taylor expansions to derive relationships between speed, distance, and mass. Questions are raised about the correctness of unit conversions and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and questioning specific steps taken. Some guidance has been offered regarding unit conversions and the application of relativistic principles, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or outcome.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's assumptions, including the notion that all neutrinos were produced simultaneously and that their mass is negligible compared to their energy. There is also a focus on ensuring that all units are consistent throughout the calculations.

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I tried and I got a ridiculous large number for the neutrino mass. I basically used E=\gamma m c and then, for 10 MeV neutrinos, time taken is t + 10 seconds to reach Earth, for 50 MeV neutrinos, time taken is t seconds.
Speed = \frac{100 000}{(t+10)} for 10 MeV and Speed = \frac{100 000}{t} for 50 MeV. Here's the question:

Neutrinos were detected from a supernova (distance ~ 100 000 light years) over a time period of ~ 10 seconds. The neutrinos have an energy range from 10 MeV to 50 MeV.
What's the mass of the neutrino, assuming all neutrinos were produced at the same time and their mass is small compared to their energy.
 
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Your speed is in LY/sec. Did you convert units?
Speed in LY/Y is so close to one that you have to use a Taylor expansion.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Your speed is in LY/sec. Did you convert units?
Speed in LY/Y is so close to one that you have to use a Taylor expansion.

Yes, I did unit conversions. A light year = 9.46 \times 10^{15} meters

Here's what I did:

for 10 MeV neutrinos, 10\;Me = \frac{m\;c}{\sqrt{1 - (\frac{d}{t+10})^2/c^2}}

and hence, t+10 = \frac{10\;M\;e\;d}{10\;M\;e\;c}(1-\frac{m^2\;c^2}{10^2\;M^2\;e^2})^{-1/2}

Binomial expansion, keep only first two terms yield:
t+10 = \frac{d}{c}(1+\frac{m^2\;c^2}{2\times10^2\;\M^2\;e^2})

do the same for 50 Mev neutrinos,

for 50 MeV neutrinos, 50\;Me = \frac{m\;c}{\sqrt{1 - (\frac{d}{t})^2/c^2} }

simultaneous equations, cancelling t, yield:

10 = \frac{d\;m^2\;c}{2\;M^2\;e^2}(\frac{1}{10^2}-\frac{1}{50^2})

Solving for m (neutrino mass), I got 7.7 GeV !?
 
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I get: 10 sec=(10^5 yr X m^2/2)(1/100-1/2500), with m in MeV.
I don't see where your e^2 came from, why your c is i the numerator.
What is your M?
Use 1LY/c=1 year, keep all masses in MeV.
Use t=(L/c)\sqrt{m^+p^2}/p~L/c-(m^2/2E)(L/c).
 
You also must take into account how long the neutrino sees itself moving as compared to what the Earth sees as how long the neurtino is moving from a to b
 

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