Measuring wavelength of microwave radiation using double slits

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The discussion revolves around measuring the wavelength of microwave radiation using a double-slit experiment. Participants are examining the implications of uncertainty in angle measurements and its effect on the sine of the angle in relation to the wavelength.

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  • Participants explore the impact of uncertainty on angle measurements and question whether this affects the sine value. There are discussions about the justification for not accounting for uncertainty and the implications for wavelength calculations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have offered insights regarding the relationship between wavelength and angle, while others are clarifying assumptions about uncertainty.

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There is mention of a ±5% uncertainty in wavelength measurements, which is being discussed in terms of its effect on calculations and physical feasibility of fringe formation.

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However, when they found the angle, they did not account for the uncertainty. I guess this is allowed still since the sine of the angle will still be greater than 1, correct?

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Callumnc1 said:
However, when they found the angle, they did not account for the uncertainty. I guess this is allowed still since the sine of the angle will still be greater than 1, correct?
Would accounting for the uncertainty bring the value of the sine to less than 1? What do you think?
 
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kuruman said:
Would accounting for the uncertainty bring the value of the sine to less than 1? What do you think?
Thank you for your reply @kuruman!

No it would not. Is that the justification they made for not accounting for the uncertainty?

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Callumnc1 said:
No it would not. Is that the justification they made for not accounting for the uncertainty?
I don't know. I can't speak for them.
 
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kuruman said:
I don't know. I can't speak for them.
Thank you for your reply @kuruman!

Oh, is that the justification you would make then?

Many thanks!
 
Callumnc1 said:
Oh, is that the justification you would make then?
Nope. It would be the justification you provided in post #3.
 
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kuruman said:
Nope. It would be the justification you provided in post #3.
Thank you for your help @kuruman!

Sorry, I meant to the justification in post #3.

Many thanks!
 
Callumnc1 said:
However, when they found the angle, they did not account for the uncertainty. I guess this is allowed still since the sine of the angle will still be greater than 1, correct?
A few additional thoughts…

Assume that the ±5% uncertainty determines the allowed range of ##\lambda##. Then ##\lambda## must be between 0.95 cm and 1.05 cm.

(Though note that if ‘5%’ is a standard deviation, then ##\lambda## can be outside this range.)

The smallest possible value of ##\sin \theta_{bright}## (for m=1) is determined by the smallest possible value of ##\lambda##. So, IMO, the model-answer calculation should have been done using ##\lambda## = 0.95 cm rather than ##\lambda## =1.00cm.

But really, no calculation is needed. It is not difficult to argue that the formation of any bright fringes is not physically possible if ##\lambda \gt d##.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
A few additional thoughts…

Assume that the ±5% uncertainty determines the allowed range of ##\lambda##. Then ##\lambda## must be between 0.95 cm and 1.05 cm.

(Though note that if ‘5%’ is a standard deviation, then ##\lambda## can be outside this range.)

The smallest possible value of ##\sin \theta_{bright}## (for m=1) is determined by the smallest possible value of ##\lambda##. So, IMO, the model-answer calculation should have been done using ##\lambda## = 0.95 cm rather than ##\lambda## =1.00cm.

But really, no calculation is needed. It is not difficult to argue that the formation of any bright fringes is not physically possible if ##\lambda \gt d##.
Thank you for your help @Steve4Physics!

Sorry I forgot about this thread.
 
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