Mechanical energy of a pendulum- I just can't get it

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The discussion revolves around the mechanical energy of a pendulum, specifically how it changes with varying amplitudes. The original poster presents a problem involving a pendulum with a given length and initial mechanical energy, seeking to determine the mechanical energy at a different amplitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy (PE) and mechanical energy (ME) in the context of pendulum motion. Questions are raised about the necessity of calculating kinetic energy (KE) and the height difference between the pendulum's extremities. Some suggest using the equation for potential energy in a spring-like context to derive the mechanical energy at the new amplitude.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to solving the problem, with one participant successfully applying a method to find the mechanical energy at the new amplitude. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach, as different interpretations of the problem are explored.

Contextual Notes

There is an underlying assumption that the pendulum behaves similarly to a spring system for small amplitudes, which may influence the methods discussed. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations, indicating a need for further clarification on the principles involved.

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Mechanical energy of a pendulum- I just can't get it!

Homework Statement



A pendulum of length 140 cm swings with an amplitude of 1.9 cm. Its mechanical energy is 5.7 mJ. What is the mechanical energy of the same pendulum when it swings with an amplitude of 3.7 cm?

Homework Equations



ME = PE + KE
PE = 1/2 k x^2
PE = mgh
KE = 1/2 m v^2

and I also know that at the top of the arc (amplitude) all of the energy is PE

The Attempt at a Solution



I keep trying to solve this and always end up with 11.1 mJ - this answer is wrong! I don't know what else to do.
 
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Why do you need to find the KE? Can you find the height difference between the extremities of the pendulum in the two cases?
 
I think we can just use the equation :

PE = 0.5kx^2

Where k is just a constant, so first we must find k from our initial data :

PE(2)/(x^2) = k
5.7(2)/(1.9^2) = k = 3.158

Now just use this value of k to solve the second part :

PE = 0.5(3.158)(3.7^2)
PE = 21.62 mJ

ME = PE at the max amplitude point, so ME = 21.62 mJ

I think that is right.
 
Thank you so much Retsam! That worked :D
I didn't know I could use PE = 1/2 k x^2 for pendulums; now I know!
Thank you!
 
For small amplitudes, you can use PE = kx^2/2. That means, you are essentially treating the simple pendulum as an SHM, in the regime where x is approximately equal to sin x. Geometrically, you would have got the same result, but this is the fastesr way.
 

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