Mechanics/Kinetics of Particles

  • Thread starter Thread starter scluggy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Particles
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on calculating the distance mass B drops before mass A reaches a speed of 0.6 m/s in a pulley system. The weights involved are 3 kg for A and 2 kg for B, with B starting at an initial speed of 0.8 m/s. The user initially miscalculated the kinetic energy by incorrectly applying negative values, leading to an erroneous conclusion. The correct distance that B drops is established as 0.224 meters.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion
  • Familiarity with the concepts of kinetic and potential energy
  • Knowledge of pulley systems and their mechanics
  • Basic algebra for solving equations
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the principles of energy conservation in mechanical systems
  • Learn about the dynamics of pulley systems and their applications
  • Explore the concept of sign conventions in physics problems
  • Practice solving problems involving multiple masses and pulleys
USEFUL FOR

Students of physics, mechanical engineers, and anyone interested in understanding the mechanics of pulley systems and energy conservation principles.

scluggy
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Two weights are hanging from a rope that goes through two pulleys as shown below:

_______
| O
| / \
| | |
\ / |
O |
| |
A B

A weighs 3 kg
B weighs 2 kg

B has an initial speed of 0.8 m/s

How far will B drop before A reaches a speed of 0,6 m/s?

The mass of the pulley and the cable can be neglected.

I have been trying to resolve this for some time now but will always get the wrong answer. The way I believe it should work is:

The potential energy + the kinetic energy for the system is the same at the start and end of this so we would have a conversion of energy from potential energy to kinetic energy. So I have set it up as having 0 potential energy to start off with (height = 0)

mgh = 2*9.81*0 = 0 and 3*9.81*0 = 0

The velocity for B would be twice that of the velocity for A due to the pulley system.

The initial kinetic energy would be:
0.5mv^2 = 0.5*2*0.8^2 and 0.5*3*-0.4^2

So the whole amount of energy for this would be
0.64-0.24 = 0.4

If we then set this equal to the same formula but for the A speed of 0.6 m/s we get
0.88 = (kinetic energy A) + (kineric energy B) + (potential energy A) + (potential energy B)

0.4 = 0.5*3*-0.6^2 + 0.5*2*1.2^2 + 3*9.81*h/2 + 2*9.81*h

Which makes h = - 100 / 6867

This is incorrect as the answer should be 0.224

Can someone see where I am going wrong and perhaps help with how this should be resolved? I have been trying to resolve this issue for some time now with different methods but will always come up with the wrong answer.

Thankful for any suggestions!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
scluggy said:
The velocity for B would be twice that of the velocity for A due to the pulley system.

The initial kinetic energy would be:
0.5mv^2 = 0.5*2*0.8^2 and 0.5*3*-0.4^2

So the whole amount of energy for this would be
0.64-0.24 = 0.4
Your error is in having a negative kinetic energy! The KE of mass B is positive, not negative.

Regardless of your sign convention, the speed is squared so the KE is always positive. (To maintain sanity, I would choose a sign convention of up = +, down = -.)
 
Thank you so much! I was really struggling with this problem but now it's solved thanks to your help :smile:
 

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
774
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
3K