Mechanics question with variable force

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a particle of mass m subjected to a variable force F, defined as F = ms, where s represents the displacement from a fixed point O. The problem asks for the velocity of the particle when s = 0, given that the velocity is u when s = -a.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the force being a function of displacement and question the interpretation of the variables involved, particularly the meaning of 'a' and whether it represents acceleration or another constant.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between force, displacement, and velocity. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the definitions and roles of the variables, while others are questioning assumptions about the nature of the force and its effects on motion.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the symbols used, particularly whether 'a' refers to acceleration or a constant, and the implications of the force being defined as F = ms. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the direction of the force relative to point O.

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1. A particle of mass m moves in a straight line under the action of force F where F = ms, s being the displacement of the particle from O, a fixed point on the line.
When s = -a the velocity of the particle is u. Find the velocity of the particle when s = 0.


2. F = ma or F= -ma (i think...)

a = v(dv/ds)


3. If ms = -ma, then s is always equal to -a, so the velocity would always be u, which doesn't look right... Or if I intergate:

s = -a

s = -v(dv/ds)

s^2 = -(v^2) + c

replace s with a and v with u.

a^2 + u^2 = c

s^2 + v^2 = a^2 + u^2


when s = 0, a = 0

v = u


Where have i gone wrong?
 
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F = ms? Force = MassxLength? :confused:

I think something is amiss.
 
neutrino said:
F = ms? Force = MassxLength? :confused:

I think something is amiss.

Doesn't have to be a miss, the given force is a function of the displacement.
 
radou said:
Doesn't have to be a miss, the given force is a function of the displacement.
Okay, fine. I suppose the constant in some set of units take the value of 1. Sorry about that.
 
Sink41 said:
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1. A particle of mass m moves in a straight line under the action of force F where F = ms, s being the displacement of the particle from O, a fixed point on the line.
When s = -a the velocity of the particle is u. Find the velocity of the particle when s = 0.2. F = ma or F= -ma (i think...)
F= ma. Don't guess- look it up.

a = v(dv/ds)3. If ms = -ma, then s is always equal to -a, so the velocity would always be u, which doesn't look right... Or if I intergate:
Why would the velocity always be u? If s is not 0 then -a is not 0: with non-zero acceleration, the velocity changes.

s = -a

s = -v(dv/ds)

s^2 = -(v^2) + c

replace s with a and v with u.

a^2 + u^2 = c

s^2 + v^2 = a^2 + u^2
You aren't really saying anything here. What is v if not u?
when s = 0, a = 0

v = uWhere have i gone wrong?
You are correct that [itex]v^2+ s^2= C[/itex], a constant.

When s = -a the velocity of the particle is u. Find the velocity of the particle when s = 0.
Is "a" here some given constant? In that case, you have [itex]C= u^2+ a^2[/itex] and so the general formula is [itex]v^2+ s^2= u^2+ a^2[/itex] where u and a are given constants. When s= 0, [itex]v^2= u^2+ a^2[/itex] and so [itex]v= \pm \sqrt{u^2+ a^2}[/itex].
 
If F = ma then the particle would speed off in one direction, unless it ended up or started at O with a velocity of zero. If F = -ma then you would get harmonic motion... I thought it might be plus or minus because in the question it didnt say whether the force was towards or away from O.

I was thinking that a was acceleration, which was why i got confused... The velocity can't always be u. In the other questions the teacher used k for any generic constant and used the word acceleration instead of a symbol. I'll just guess that he meant to write k and made a mistake.
 
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