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The problem involves a train with a mass of 250 tonnes accelerating up an incline while overcoming frictional resistance. The objective is to calculate the work done by the engine using the principle of conservation of energy.

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  • Participants discuss relevant equations related to work, force, kinetic energy, and potential energy. There is uncertainty about how to incorporate frictional resistance and gravity into the calculations. Some participants question the use of net force and acceleration in the context of conservation of energy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of energy methods and the relationship between work done by non-conservative forces and changes in potential and kinetic energy.

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There is a mention of the need to use conservation of energy rather than solely relying on force and kinematic equations. Participants express confusion about the application of certain concepts and the specific equations that should be used.

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Homework Statement


A train with a mass of 250 tonnes starts from rest and accelerates up an incline of 1 in 100 attaining a speed of 45 Kph after traveling 200m. If the frictional resistance to motion is constant at 30KN calculate the work done by the engine using the principle of conservation of energy

Homework Equations


Possible relevant equations:

Work done= Force*Distance
Force=Mass*acceleration
Kinetic energy = 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2
Potential energy= Mass*Gravity (9.81)* Height

The Attempt at a Solution



Force= 250*103 Kg*12.5= 3 125 000 kg/m/s
Work done= 3 125 000*200= 625 000 000(J)
Not sure whether this is along the right lines or not. I am also unsure where the frictional resistance and gravity is used.

Thank you for your time.
 
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EddyH said:

Homework Statement


A train with a mass of 250 tonnes starts from rest and accelerates up an incline of 1 in 100 attaining a speed of 45 Kph after traveling 200m. If the frictional resistance to motion is constant at 30KN calculate the work done by the engine using the principle of conservation of energy

Homework Equations


Possible relevant equations:

Work done= Force*Distance
Force=Mass*acceleration
Kinetic energy = 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2
Potential energy= Mass*Gravity (9.81)* Height

The Attempt at a Solution



Force= 250*103 Kg*12.5= 3 125 000 kg/m/s
net force is mass times acceleration. You are not using the net force or the acceleration.
Work done= 3 125 000*200= 625 000 000(J)
Your incorrect values are calculating the net total work done. You are looking for the work done by the engine only.
Not sure whether this is along the right lines or not. I am also unsure where the frictional resistance and gravity is used.

Thank you for your time.
the problem is asking you to use conservation of energy, not force and kinematic equations. What is the conservation of energy equation that relates work and energy?
 
Sorry to be a pain, but I do not know how to go about this, please can you explain?
Thank you
 
Say, Eddy, if you are asked to solve the problem using energy methods, you should know about the possible energy equations to use, for example, you should know that the work done by non conservative forces (like the engine force and friction force in this example) must equal the change in PE plus the change in KE of the system. Give it a try.
 

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