Mechanism for Energy Released via the Strong Force in Fusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mechanism by which the strong force contributes to energy release during the fusion of light nuclei, specifically hydrogen isotopes. Participants explore the conceptual parallels between gravitational energy release and nuclear fusion, while examining the underlying physics of binding energy and mass defect.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the strong force leads to energy release during fusion, noting that products have less mass and are more tightly bound than reactants.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between gravitational energy release and nuclear fusion, suggesting that the strong force does work on the nuclei as they come together, similar to how gravity does work on a falling asteroid.
  • A participant seeks to understand if the mathematical treatment of energy release in fusion mirrors that of gravitational energy release, specifically questioning if multiplying the strong nuclear force by the distance moved yields the same energy as using the mass defect and E=mc².
  • One participant challenges the simplicity of the gravitational analogy, arguing that the identity of the particles changes during fusion, complicating the notion of distance fallen in the context of nuclear binding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the gravitational analogy for explaining energy release in fusion. While some find the comparison conceptually valid, others argue that the complexities of particle identity and interactions in fusion make it more complicated.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the differences in particle identity before and after fusion, indicating that the dynamics of quarks and gluons in the resulting nucleus complicate the analogy with gravitational energy release.

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Hi,

I was wondering if there is a mechanism to explain how the strong force leads to an energy release when two light nuclei such as hydrogen fuse together. I get that the products of fusion have less mass than the reactants and that this "missing" mass is converted into energy in accordance with E=mc2. I also get that the products are more "tightly bound" and have less binding energy per nucleon. I just wondered what the mechanism was for how the strong force actually does this? If we take gravity for example, to explain why energy is released when an asteroid falls to Earth we can say that the gravitational force does work on the asteroid. How does the strong force cause this energy release/mass defect?

Thanks for any insights/info offered.
 
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Conceptually, I think it is no different than your asteroid example. If I start with the Earth and an asteroid at infinite separation and let the asteroid fall to Earth, the attractive gravitational force does work on the asteroid as it falls, and we end up with a bound configuration where the Earth and the asteroid, which are now closer together, have less gravitational energy than they did before. In the case of nuclear fusion, consider two deuterons at infinite separation and push them together. Once you have overcome their Coulomb repulsion, the attractive strong force takes over and pulls the two deuterons together. The strong force does work on the deuterons as they pull together, and we end up with a more tightly bound configuration than we started with. How is this conceptually different from the gravitational case?
 
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This is what I thought - I was just checking that the gravitational mechanism comparison is acceptable. Does it work out the same mathematically? For example, if a mass falls to the Earth then the gravitational force multiplied by the distance it falls is exactly the energy it releases. If you multiplied the strong nuclear force by the distance the nuclei move would you get the same answer as you would from using the missing mass of the products and multiplying it by the speed of light squared?
 
Jimmy87 said:
This is what I thought - I was just checking that the gravitational mechanism comparison is acceptable. Does it work out the same mathematically? For example, if a mass falls to the Earth then the gravitational force multiplied by the distance it falls is exactly the energy it releases. If you multiplied the strong nuclear force by the distance the nuclei move would you get the same answer as you would from using the missing mass of the products and multiplying it by the speed of light squared?

I think it's just not that simple. When a rock falls to the Earth, both the rock and the Earth maintain their identities. When two deuterons fuse together to make a helium nucleus, the helium nucleus is not just two deuterons resting against one another. It is not even two protons and two neutrons flying around. It is a constantly changing "soup" of quarks and gluons. So you can't even say how far the two deuterons "fell" when they assembled to make the helium nucleus.
 

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