Method of undeterminant coefficeint

  • Thread starter Thread starter -EquinoX-
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Method
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a general solution to a second-order linear differential equation of the form y" - 6y' - 7y = 7t^2 - 9, focusing on the method of undetermined coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the form of the particular solution and whether simplifications can be made. Questions arise regarding the necessity of certain coefficients and terms in the particular solution. There is an exploration of the characteristic equation and its implications for the general solution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on simplifying the particular solution and checking the validity of the proposed solutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct form of the characteristic equation and its relationship to the original differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem, including the need to find a general solution while adhering to the method of undetermined coefficients. There is a mention of potential omissions in the characteristic equation that could affect the overall understanding of the solution process.

-EquinoX-
Messages
561
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement



Find a general solution of the following de:
y" - 6y' -7y = 7t^2 - 9

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



y^2 - 6y - 7
y^2-7y+y-7
y(y-7) 1(y-7)
y = -1 or y = 7

yc = C_1e^-t + C_2e^7t

yp = 7At^2 + Bt + D - 9E
y'p = 14At + B - 9
y"p = 14A

plug it back in:
14A - 84At - 6B + 54 - 49At^2 -7Bt - 7D = 7t^2-9

-84At - 7Bt = 0
14A - 6B + 54
A = -1/7

Is this good so far?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Your particular solution is more complicated that it needs to be. All you need is the following:
yp = At2 + Bt + C.

As for the particular solution you found, if it satisfies the differential equation, then you know it's the one.
 
why is the 7 gone?
 
Why would there be any "7" to begin with? If "A" is some unknown coefficient then "7A" is also an unknown coefficient. There is no reason to have the "7" at all! And you don't need the "-9E" because you can treat "D- 9E" as a single uknown number as well.
 
Because you don't need it. A is a constant and so is 7A, so why not work with the simpler one? Also D - 9E is a constant, so why not just simplify it to C and work with that instead?
 
so is this it:

y^2 - 6y - 7
y^2-7y+y-7
y(y-7) 1(y-7)
y = -1 or y = 7

yc = C_1e^-t + C_2e^7t

yp = At^2 + Bt + D
y'p = 2At + B
y"p = 2A2A - 12At - 6B - 7At^2 - 7Bt - 7D

-7A = 7
A = -1

(-12A - 7B) = 0
B = 12/7

2A - 6B - 7D = -9
-2 - 72/7 - 7D = -9
49/7 - 72/7 = 7D
-23/7 = 7D
D = -23/49
 
You should give your particular solution (not just give the coefficients). Then check and see whether yp'' - 6yp' - 7y = 0 is a true statement.

If so, then you have it (your complementary solution is good). The general solution is the complementary solution plus your particular solution. That's what you should present as the answer to this problem.

BTW, you are omitting the fact that your characteristic equation is in fact an equation, meaning it needs an = in there. It's common to use some letter other than y so as not to confuse this equation with your original differential equation. A letter that is commonly used is r.

So the characteristic equation would be
r2 - 6r - 7 = 0
etc.
 
I checked and it all looked okay, the general solution should then be:

y = -t^2 + (12/7)t -23/49 + C_1e^-t + C_2e^7t

thanks for the suggestions
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K