Method of undetermined coefficients, when to raise the guess

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The discussion revolves around the method of undetermined coefficients for solving non-homogeneous ordinary differential equations (ODEs). Participants explore when and how to raise the order of the guess for particular solutions, particularly in cases where the guess overlaps with the complementary solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents examples of non-homogeneous ODEs and discusses the necessity of raising the order of the guess when it overlaps with the complementary solution, specifically questioning why the entire polynomial is multiplied by t² in one case.
  • Another participant mentions that the driving function must be in a specific form to apply the method correctly and suggests breaking the problem into parts for certain examples.
  • A third participant notes the importance of repeated roots in the characteristic equation, implying that this may affect the approach taken.
  • A later reply proposes a consistent procedure for raising the order of the guess, suggesting an iterative approach based on matching parts of the particular and complementary solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct application of the method of undetermined coefficients, particularly regarding when to raise the order of the guess. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for careful consideration of the form of the driving function and the implications of repeated roots in the characteristic equation, indicating potential limitations in the examples discussed.

Uku
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Hello!

I have some examples of non-homogeneous ODEs to be solved by the undetermined coefficients method. Two from "Pauls math notes" page:

y''+8y'+16y=e^{-4t}+(t^2+5)e^{-4t}
The compsol. for this is:
Y_{c}=C_{1}e^{-4t}+C_{2}te^{-4t}
The first guess for a particular solution would be:
Y_{p}=(At^2+Bt+C)e^{-4t}
When multiplying the brackets with the exponent we get a solution which is in the complementary solution, thus we raise the order, indeed we have to do this twice. Pauls notes (link here) stress that only the part which is the mixed solution needs to be raised. In this example I would then raise only Bt by t^2 and C by t^2. But the correct form is t^2(At^2+Bt+C)e^{-4t}. Wolfram alpha verifies.

While on the other hand, of his other example:
y''+3y'-28y=7t+e^{-7t}-1
Complementary solution being Y_{c}=C_{1}e^{4t}+C_{2}e^{-7t}
The first guess at a particular solution:
Y_{p}=At+B+Ce^{-7t}
Now here the solutions match as well, meaning a raise of the particular matching exponential function:
Y_{p}=At+B+Cte^{-7t} which is the correct guess.

Now... why in the first example is the whole polynomial multiplied by the t^2?

And another example:
y^{(4)}-2y^{(3)}+y''=e^t+1
The compsol. here is:
Y_{c}=C_{1}+C_{2}+C_{3}e^{t}+C_{4}te^{t}
Now, my first guess for a particular solution would be Ae^t+B
This is also a solution in the homogeneous equation, so I need to raise it, twice. But according to two sources the correct way of doing this is At^{2}e^{t}+Bt^2
Why not raise the function that is actually lapping, meaning At^{2}e^{t}+B

So.. that is the question.
Thank you,
U.
 
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There is a form that the driving function (inhomogeneous part) should be into apply thise methods. In some of your examples, the driving function is not of this form, so you break the problem up to find the two particular solutions corresponding to the two driving functions. However, for the third example, you have a fourth derivative so you'll have to be even more careful.
 
Note the repeated roots of the characteristic equation
 
I can make Paul's procedure consistent if it works like this:
- if a part of the PI matches a part of the CS then multiply it up by t
- if that makes it match another part of the CS, multiply that up too
- apply the above rules iteratively until it settles down
 

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