Methods for phonetic spelling

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The discussion revolves around the various methods and systems of phonetic spelling, including personal experiences and challenges in finding the appropriate symbols. Participants explore different phonetic alphabets and their applications, reflecting on their educational backgrounds and current needs.

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  • Some participants suspect that phonetic spelling is done using different systems and express difficulty in finding specific symbols online.
  • Links to resources such as the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) and other phonetic systems are shared by participants as potential references.
  • A participant provides a phonetic transcription example, indicating the complexity of the English language.
  • There is mention of the Initial Teaching Alphabet as a possible system learned in primary school, with mixed feelings about its effectiveness.
  • One participant expresses feeling overwhelmed by the depth of the subject, suggesting it is more complex than initially perceived.
  • Another participant describes a personal method of piecing together phonetic spellings from resources like Merriam-Webster, acknowledging its amateur nature.

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Participants generally express uncertainty about the specific systems of phonetic spelling and do not reach a consensus on which is most appropriate or effective. Multiple competing views and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention limitations in their searches for phonetic symbols and express confusion regarding the systems they learned in school, indicating a dependence on personal experience and educational background.

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I suspect that phonetic spelling is done using different systems. Briefly trying a search on internet, I am not finding the exact symbols I am looking for and some of what I want do not seem to be found in Windows Character Map. I feel a little lost. I can come-up with something that may work, but I am looking for what I thought I was taught when I was in first-grade of Elementary school. (Native English Speaker).
 
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ˈɪŋɡlɪʃ ɪz ə ˈdɪfɪkᵊlt ˈlæŋɡwɪʤ. ɪt kæn biː ˌʌndəˈstʊd θruː tʌf ˈθʌrə θɔːt, ðəʊ.

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Wow this whole subject is far bigger and deeper than I knew how to imagine back when I was so very young. What is presented in these few responses is far so overwhelming!
 
mjc123 said:
Depending on your age, it might be the Initial Teaching Alphabet. I came across that in primary school; luckily I survived it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
The article is great but still it's overwhelming to read.

Let me represent what I remember, according to my current skill and knowledge(?) using a simple example; the word, "coin". The piece of money:
I need to DESCRIBE this here.
k (just the letter)
o (with a long segment above it, and an accent mark)
e (with a long segment above it)
n (just the letter)

We could have done it like that and our dictionaries would have shown like that too (but on a single line but not separate rows for each sound). There was also a raised dot between neighboring syllables.
I do not know the identity of this system of phonetic spelling.
 
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I suspect that phonetic spelling is done using different systems. Briefly trying a search on internet, I am not finding the exact symbols I am looking for and some of what I want do not seem to be found in Windows Character Map. I feel a little lost. I can come-up with something that may work, but I am looking for what I thought I was taught when I was in first-grade of Elementary school. (Native English Speaker).

I was just looking something up on Wikipedia, and noticed that they include phonetic spelling in some of their articles. Maybe check out what standard they are using to see if it would work for you. I know it's not the old standard that we used many years ago, but probably adopting one of the new standards will work okay for you:

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I sometimes use the method that if I know how a word is pronounced I look up the phonetic spelling on e.g. merriam and piece together what I want. Not very professional but it seems to work most of the time. But yeah: amateurish.
 

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