Metric Tensor of Earth: g11,g21,g31...g33

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the metric tensor related to the Earth, exploring its formulation in various contexts such as the space around the Earth, the surface of the Earth, and the implications of the Schwarzschild metric. Participants consider both theoretical and practical aspects of defining the metric tensor in these scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the metric tensor of the Earth in a specific matrix form.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of a "metric tensor" for an object, suggesting it may refer to the metric tensor for the space surrounding the Earth.
  • Some participants propose using the Schwarzschild metric as an approximation for the space outside the Earth, assuming a spherical shape.
  • There is a suggestion that the metric for the surface of the Earth could be represented as a spherical metric, which accounts for latitude and longitude but does not capture topographical variations.
  • Questions arise regarding the applicability of the Schwarzschild metric to the Earth's atmosphere and how it can be formulated into a metric tensor.
  • Participants discuss whether the metric tensor is derived from the Schwarzschild metric or from the basic spherical metric, noting distinctions between the two.
  • Clarifications are made about the nature of the Schwarzschild metric as it relates to spacetime around a spherical mass and its applicability under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and applicability of the metric tensor in relation to the Earth, with no consensus reached on a singular interpretation or formulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of the Schwarzschild metric and the spherical metric in capturing the complexities of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, indicating that assumptions about sphericity and other factors may affect the accuracy of the metrics discussed.

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I would like to know the Metric Tensor of the Earth in the form of g = [g11,g21,g31;g12,g22,g32;g13,g23,g33].
 
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There is no such thing as a "metric tensor" of an object. Do you mean the metric tensor for space around the earth, ignoring the sun, moon, and other planets?
 
Outside of the earth, as a good approximation (assuming the Earth is spherical) you could use the Schwarzschild metric.
 
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I'm guessing he might mean the metric for the surface of the earth, as in given two lats and lons, find distance between them. In that case, it's a bumpy sphere.

ds^2 = R^{2}(d\theta^2 + sin^{2}\theta d\phi^2)

is the metric on a sphere. The mountains/valleys and all the rest that make the Earth interesting are going to be impossible to get into a metric.
 
Will the Schwarzschild metric work for the atmosphere, the edge of the atmosphere? Are there any hints on formulating the Schwarzschild metric into the Metric Tensor.
 
Is the Metric Tensor derived directly from Schwarzschild Metric or is it derived from the spherical metric of a sphere?
 
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Jack3145 said:
Is the Metric Tensor derived directly from Schwarzschild Metric or is it derived from the spherical metric of a sphere?

The schwarzschild metric is the metric for the spacetime surrounding a sphere, as derived from einstein's equations in general relativity.

The metric for a sphere is a more basic geometric idea, and not derived from einstein's equations. It has little to do with general relativity.

You can call either of these a metric tensor.
 
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Jack3145 said:
Will the Schwarzschild metric work for the atmosphere, the edge of the atmosphere? Are there any hints on formulating the Schwarzschild metric into the Metric Tensor.

Hi Jack. There is no unique metric tensor for any given point in spacetime. But given that, the Schwarzschild metic is one metric, in spherical coordinates, applicable to the near-space points lying outside the surface of a spherically symmtrical mass such as the Earth, as long as the Earth can be approximated as spherical, and having zero charge and angular momentum. For a mass as small as the Earth, the R variable in the Schwarzschild metric can be taken as the radius of the Earth.

You may not be aware of this, but AstroRoyale gave you a metric at the surface of a spherical mass:

ds^2 = R^{2}(d\theta^2 + sin^{2}\theta d\phi^2)

\ ds^2 is the metric. I don't know how to put it in the form you want. The metric elements range from 0 to 3, where 0 indexes time, and 1-3 index spatial coordinates. In the case of the full Schwarzschild metric, the spatial coordinates are spherical coordinates of an inertial frame centered on a mass at rest, asymptotic at infinity.
 

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