Millennium Tower, San Francisco, leaning more than predicted

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The discussion centers around the structural issues of the Millennium Tower in San Francisco, particularly its unexpected sinking and leaning. Participants explore the implications of these developments, including potential risks during seismic events and the adequacy of prior engineering assessments. The conversation touches on both theoretical and practical aspects of structural engineering and geotechnical considerations.

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  • Some participants note that the Millennium Tower has settled 1 inch in three months, which exceeds the predicted rate of settling over a year, raising concerns about its stability.
  • There is mention of the tower leaning 22 inches from vertical at the top, which some participants find alarming.
  • Concerns are expressed about the potential consequences of the tower toppling, particularly in the event of a significant earthquake, with references to possible liquefaction of the ground.
  • Participants discuss the lack of a geotechnical review prior to the construction of the tower, suggesting that this oversight may have contributed to the current issues.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding both structural and geotechnical engineering in the context of such projects.

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Participants express significant concern about the stability of the Millennium Tower and the potential risks associated with its leaning. However, there is no consensus on the adequacy of the engineering reviews conducted prior to its construction, nor on the best course of action moving forward.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the engineering assessments related to the site conditions, specifically the absence of a geotechnical review, which some participants argue is fundamental to the project's success.

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I just happened to stumble across this new video.

Millennium Tower is Sinking Faster Than Rate ‘Limit' Set by Fix Engineers - Yoiks!​



Interview with Rune Storesund, UC Berkeley Center for Catastrophic Risk Management

It apparently settled (1 inch) in three months what was predicted in one year. And earlier predictions had settling the core region, not to one side. According to a report, it's leaning 22 inches (from vertical), ostensibly at the top of the building!
 
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Astronuc said:
I just happened to stumble across this new video.

Millennium Tower is Sinking Faster Than Rate ‘Limit' Set by Fix Engineers - Yoiks!​



Interview with Rune Storesund, UC Berkeley Center for Catastrophic Risk Management

It apparently settled (1 inch) in three months what was predicted in one year. And earlier predictions had settling the core region, not to one side. According to a report, it's leaning 22 inches (from vertical), ostensibly at the top of the building!

They had better sling some big ropes around it and the adjacent buildings so it doesn't fall over. :olduhh:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
They had better sling some big ropes around it and the adjacent buildings so it doesn't fall over.
If it topples, it'll take other buildings with it. Just image a M6 earthquake or stronger. If they get liquefaction in an earthquake - I wouldn't want to be nearby.
 
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Astronuc said:
If it topples, it'll take other buildings with it. Just image a M6 earthquake or stronger. If they get liquefaction in an earthquake - I wouldn't want to be nearby.
Indeed! That could be catastrophic.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Indeed! That could be catastrophic.
Rune Storesund, UC Berkeley Center for Catastrophic Risk Management, so much said so. It seemed an understatement.

Back in 2017
https://sf.curbed.com/2017/2/3/14500782/millennium-tower-peer-revie
The developers behind the sinking Millennium Tower paid for an independent review of the tower itself before it was built, but not of the site it sits on, according to new testimony at City Hall on Thursday.

The Government Audit and Oversight Committee quizzed Jack Moehle, a professor of structural engineering at UC Berkeley, whom Millennium Partners and its engineer consultants hired to conduct an independent peer review of the building design while it was being entitled.

“The interest was to do an internal review to ensure that the structural system selected was suitable,” Moehle told city lawmakers at Thursday’s hearing. “[So] that if there was a formal peer review for the city later that most questions would be dealt with already.”

Moehle says he inspected the high-rise’s design from top to bottom—but no lower than the bottom. A geotechnical review—i.e., an assessment of the condition of the soil under the building site—wasn’t part of the process, because no one ever hired a geotechnical engineer.
This last part is fundamental to such projects. I don't know if they did or did not hire a geotechnical engineer. That requires different expertise than a structural engineer who looks at the building structure within the building envelop.
 
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