Mimicking Gravity with Magnetism and Angular Momentum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of mimicking gravity using magnetism or angular momentum, specifically through the use of a centrifuge. Participants explore the effects of rotation on light and the bending of spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether gravity can be mimicked through magnetism or angular momentum.
  • Another participant references a NASA centrifuge as a potential example of mimicking gravity.
  • A participant inquires about the speed required for a centrifuge to have a noticeable effect on light, suggesting that light can be bent by gravity.
  • One response indicates that in practical terms, man-made systems cannot achieve significant bending of light comparable to that caused by large astronomical bodies.
  • A participant mentions a specific rotation rate of 0.01 degrees per hour as the smallest optically detectable rotation, clarifying that this is not due to spacetime curvature.
  • Another participant asserts that the 0.01 degrees per hour figure is not the best achievable rate, suggesting that improvements can be made using similar techniques.
  • Further discussion highlights that the effect of a centrifuge on light is due to its motion, comparing it to the effect observed in an elevator, but notes that the degree of curvature remains minimal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of mimicking gravity with angular momentum and the effects on light, with no consensus reached regarding the practical implications or limits of such effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in the degree of curvature achievable with man-made systems and the dependence on specific conditions, such as the scale of the rotating system and the nature of light's interaction with motion.

MrInquisitive
Can I mimic gravity with Magnetism or angular momentum?
 
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Do you mean something like this NASA centrifuge?
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Yes and no, just curious about something. Light can be bent by gravity right? How fast should a centrifuge spin to have an effect on light?
 
In a practical sense, no. Even the mass of the sun bends light only a tiny angle. Large galaxies are needed to create gravitational lending where the bending of light is obvious.

So if you mean man made things and appreciable bending of spacetime, no. On the other hand, you can easily bend light with a lens.

Edit: typo fixed, bending rather than branding.
 
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That 0.01 deg/h figure is far from the best we can achieve. We can do many orders of magnitude better using the same technique.
 
Khashishi said:
That 0.01 deg/h figure is far from the best we can achieve. We can do many orders of magnitude better using the same technique.
Excellent, what is the current limit?
 
MrInquisitive said:
How fast should a centrifuge spin to have an effect on light?

The effect a centrifuge has on light is solely due to its motion. You can see the same effect in an elevator, where in an elevator-centered frame, light curves down. Unfortunately the degree of curvature is tiny (why we can still see in elevators), and it won't be much larger in a centrifuge.
 
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